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Old 21st Mar 2017, 06:39
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If Ben is reading this I just want to warn him that he needs to tread very carefully.

Speaking to my who is a commercial lawyer she believes that REX would have clear ground to take action against the claims, especially as REX is an ASX listed company where false, unverified claims can lead to reactions to stock price.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 06:40
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so one of these 2 areas then, probably the smaller one if the news report about being close to The River Road is correct...

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Old 21st Mar 2017, 06:41
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Isn't there a spotters forum?

Resolute March 21, 2017 at 9:06 am
As a ex commercial pilot, I dont understand why
The PIC didnt land at the closest suitable airfirld/port ?
He should not of continued on to Sydney !
T i m.


They must have tightened up the English language requirements since old mate qualified as "a ex commercial pilot"(sic). Still awaiting that apology to the crew though.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 06:46
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Would love to hear from Ben and/or Tim, on what classes an aerodrome as suitable for a Regional express Saab? In order to use a non suitable aerodrome a mayday would have to be declared.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 06:48
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Ill take it that an apology isn't imminent shall I Tim?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 06:59
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Spinex, I wonder where old mate might be an "ex commercial pilot" from?

Would it be jumping too much to a conclusion that it might be the obvious, and there's some fairly sharp axes now?

Either that or just someone that likes to stir. But anyway, probably not worth expending too much effort on!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:00
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Originally Posted by marreeman View Post
Would love to hear from Ben and/or Tim, on what classes an aerodrome as suitable for a Regional express Saab? In order to use a non suitable aerodrome a mayday would have to be declared.
Bankstown is closest.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:00
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Sandiland's comments highlights the paucity of professional aviation journalists in Australia. The rush to make headlines indicates a lack of expertise and skill in independently researching and producing original material.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:02
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Originally Posted by Tim Hamilton View Post
Bankstown is closest.
how would they handle an emergency at short/no notice??

they were only 15 klms from Sydney Airport when the propeller sheared off, and already on track.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:09
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Keep doubling down Tim, it seems to be working.

In this situation, anyone that thinks it would be a good idea to divert to BK with SY only minutes away with looong, wide runways and fantastic RFFS, is a farking clown.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:15
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Originally Posted by p.j.m View Post
so one of these 2 areas then, probably the smaller one if the news report about being close to The River Road is correct...



Seems to have drifted about half a mile north of track. It's just amazing it has managed to miss all that residential area and the roads to end up in the bush. The good fortune continues...
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:28
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Originally Posted by Tim Hamilton View Post
Bankstown is closest.
You were asked what classes an aerodrome as suitable from the operators point of view. Not 'what is the closest'. Want to try that again?

Regardless, you're aware aircraft can't make an approach to land whilst in a vertical dive? Have a think about that.
You're aware BK has no on airport fire/rescue services?
You're aware BK is a 30m wide runway less than 1400m in length?
You're aware BK has large amounts of GA traffic?
You're aware BK is about 90 seconds from SY?

There is a village somewhere missing something.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:45
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What is it about this industry where we are all experts and some of us feel we have the right to mouth off about our thoughts and speculations about what happened and what should have been done.

Lets wait and see what the people who have all the facts in front them have to say before you wankers hang draw and quarter the crew.

Don't forget there are a few things to think about in a situation like this and its unexpected (not the SIM). Never mind the fact the aircraft is doing about three to four miles a minute and there was weather around at that time. Fair do's guys.

We should be all pleased and happy nobody was hurt.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:56
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If anyone is saying that a pilot faced with an engine shut down should always without fail proceed to the closest airport should lose their pilot licence privileges.

This crew had an emergency. They dealt with it.
The destination airport for which they had briefed the approach lay straight ahead on a normal profile
The pilots are familiar with the destination airport
They could fly a long easy ILS at the destination
The destination runways are larger
The destination airport had RFFS
The aircraft was under control

Yes there was a closer airport. But it:

Does not have RFFS (what if there was fuel leaking in the nacelle, being blown out by the slipstream and igniting on landing?)
Is unfamiliar to the flight crew
Would need to be briefed by the flight crew who probably have never been in there. This briefing would probably take longer that the transit time to YSSY.
Has smaller runways
Has lots of GA traffic.


If there is anyone suggesting that it was a safer option for the Rex crew land at Bankstown airport they are either not a pilot, or shouldn't be one. And should shut up.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 07:57
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Originally Posted by p.j.m View Post
so one of these 2 areas then, probably the smaller one if the news report about being close to The River Road is correct...

Neither, propeller was 800m left of track in the river reserve between river Rd and sandakan Rd.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 08:25
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The less time you sped in the air in a damaged aircraft - is vital !
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 08:26
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Originally Posted by spinex View Post
Resolute March 21, 2017 at 9:06 am
As a ex commercial pilot, I dont understand why
The PIC didnt land at the closest suitable airfirld/port ?
He should not of continued on to Sydney !
T i m.


They must have tightened up the English language requirements since old mate qualified as "a ex commercial pilot"(sic). Still awaiting that apology to the crew though.
Says the person who wrote he should not of instead of he should not have!

DF.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 08:39
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Some may say if a pilot that chooses to do the opposite is failing in his duty of care for crew and passengers.
Is complacent and arrogant in his ability to make a more distant airport safely.
Keeping in mind there may have been damage to the aircraft that is not immediately apparent, that could prove to be Catastrophic
travelling the extra distance. (I am not necessarily referring to this incident. Just in general terms)
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Tim Hamilton View Post
The less time you sped in the air in a damaged aircraft - is vital !
are you a troll or are you serious? If not a troll, what is your experience?

what is your motive for slagging off at the crew and Rex as you have been for several posts? Are you seriously suggesting ysbk would have been the best option from there?

If so why? Brief the landing at bk from that position for us and explain why it would be the better option - I would assume with a southerly wind on that day they would be using the 11 rwys, how are they going to set themselves up for that from where they are? What altitude are they? What configuration? How long will it take to get into bk from there compared to sy? Why would it be shorter or better time-wise or facility wise or workload wise? Over what sort of area will they need to fly to set themselves up to land on 11c at bk? What traffic did bk have - would they need time to close the airspace and get circuit and inbound traffic clear?

Hope the crew are not reading what you are saying as I would think it is highly offensive.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 08:50
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I am simply saying there was another/closer option.

Nothing else !

You have misread my post above. I urge you to re read it :-)
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