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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:05
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I won’t quote what cattletruck said in #14, but connecting gays and paedophilia together shows a startling naivety.
Perhaps, but here in Australia there is a Victorian university academic who wants to ad IS (inter-generational sex) to LGBTQI brand. IS is usually known by its colloquial term paedophilia. He's a strong advocate who's published works are mostly unrepeatable here or elsewhere. Amongst other things he argued in a published journal that paedophilia should be part of the gay movement, it must be legally recognised and depicts it as a wider sexual liberation.

We live in a time when virtually any sexual desire, including disorders are being legitimised as normal, hence its only a matter of time before you see a company like QANTAS hoisting some colours to recognise the "inter-generational sex" community.

Personally, I want to live long enough to see QANTAS flying colours for those who really love goats. Que people on forums coming out as proud GF's who denounce the 99% of statistically normal people who aren't GF's, as being Goat F$&ker phobic. Then there will be parades and posters and advertising telling us how we must view the wonderful GF community. The media will surely get on board and companies will force employees into diversity training until they become fellow champions of the GF cause who wish to challenge and change any institution that isn't Goat inclusive- after all it's their right.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:08
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
I love the hypocrisy of demanding tolerance, yet being completely intolerant of someone who simply doesn't like flying with gay people.

Or is tolerance only for those who don't share your preferences?
This raises the question: "How do you know they are gay?"

Do you assume everyone is gay and dislike them until you deem them not?

Do you assume that everyone is heterosexual and like them until you judge them to be gay?

As part of your instrument scan, do you also scan their conversations for home decor tips or obscure Judy Garland references?

"Oh yeah, I was just kicking the footy with the kids while listening to Bette Midler on the iPod... oops.. I mean... uh, Cold Chisel and Nickelback..!* Dammit, sprung again."

This just sounds exhausting...

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* That'd be a dead giveaway, no-one in their right mind would admit listening to Nickelback.

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:34
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I will argue that point, because its exactly the same.

Whats clear is that people are marching around demanding others be tolerant of X,Y and Z, yet at the same time showing nothing but intolerance of others whos views they don't agree with. That's not how it works son, tolerance isn't a 1 way street.

OP didn't say he treated gays any differently to another person, only that he didn't enjoy flying with them. Thats no crime and who are you to stipulate what another person does or doesn't like?

In my experience the least tolerant people are often the ones most loudly demanding tolerance from others.

Looking at it a different way, OP has stated his belief. He hasn't attacked anyone, shown evidence that he treats those he doesn't like poorly or discriminated in any way. He shows tolerance and goes about his business one assumes in a professional manner.

On the other hand, those of you here demanding 'tolerance' have personally attacked him and insulted his intellect and person. Its blazing hypocrisy and the excuse of some 'moral high ground' exemption to your behaviour doesn't hold water with me.

If you want to preach tolerance, start practicing it.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:40
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This raises the question: "How do you know they are gay?"No idea. Some people make it clear, others do not.

Do you assume everyone is gay and dislike them until you deem them not?No idea, ask the OP. Why are you asking me? I have no issue flying with anyone (except the French of course)

Do you assume that everyone is heterosexual and like them until you judge them to be gay?I'm starting to think you've quoted the wrong person. Did you assume that I dislike homosexuals? Does that count as ironic given your question?

As part of your instrument scan, do you also scan their conversations for home decor tips or obscure Judy Garland references?Don't the gays all wear glitter?! Are you saying they dont!?

"Oh yeah, I was just kicking the footy with the kids while listening to Bette Midler on the iPod... oops.. I mean... uh, Cold Chisel and Nickelback..!* Dammit, sprung again."

This just sounds exhausting...
Jokes aside, my point here at its core has nothing to do with homosexuals. I dislike this PC push for tolerance that often comes from some of the least tolerant people on earth.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:41
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Personally, I want to live long enough to see QANTAS flying colours for those who really love goats.
There are some good lookin' goats out there...
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:49
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You are right Das Uber Soldat, I appear to have misquoted you for the OP and for that I apologise.

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:50
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Plenty of goats on this forum - no idea how good they look though.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 05:08
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Originally Posted by anson harris View Post
Change the words around to "someone who simply doesn't like flying with blacks". You won't argue that point because there is no come back.
Like it or not, it is NOT illegal to have an opinion.

If someone doesn't like flying with blacks, Asians, Hispanics, women, Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, atheists whites, men, people with excessive bowel gas discharge, people with poor eating habits, people who pick their nose or flying an aircraft decorated like a Mardi Gras float, it's their right to have those opinions.

The thought police on here would dearly love to dictate exactly what everyone's opinions must be. Thankfully the politically correct here don't have that power, yet.

I have no problem whatsoever with people having opinions contrary to mine, because a healthy society such as Australia is filled with diverse people of different ethnic backgrounds, religious beliefs and sexual preferences. For this reason it is impossible to expect everyone to have the same opinions. I know you Utopian lefties think we should all think the same as you and will call anyone who disagrees with you homophobic, racist, biggot, or any other of a dozen derogatory adjectives to try and improve your position on your soap box but the real world doesn't work that way.

Taken to its extreme, people are sometimes so hell bent on changing the opinions of others to align with theirs they are willing to commit mass murder to achieve it. Happened in Nazi Germany in the 40's, it happened on Sept 11 2001, and it will happen again like countless other times in history.

Have your opinions by all means. But respect others for having theirs.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 05:47
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If someone doesn't like flying with blacks, Asians, Hispanics, women, Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, atheists whites, men, people with excessive bowel gas discharge, people with poor eating habits, people who pick their nose or flying an aircraft decorated like a Mardi Gras float, it's their right to have those opinions.
May be, but if those opinions are expressed in a certain way in a recruitment process, or in the workplace, such people may find that it isn't their guaranteed right to get or keep their job.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 06:51
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This is hilarious! The tolerant need to become tolerant of the intolerant?

There are no thought police. You can think whatever you like, but when you start making intolerant remarks, behaviours or public internet posts you need to and will be pulled up.

Paedophiles may have been born that way, and they can go their whole lives having dreams of kiddy fiddling, but if they ever engage in the practice, or promote their desires publicly, they can expect to be dealt with. The difference is that the kiddies can't, or don't know to, defend themselves (hence the legal definition of "statutory rape" and the prohibition of child porn). The suggestion that this will change in the future is ludicrous.

Interestingly, however, the intolerant have not been born that way. They have generally learned to be that way by either their upbringing, their peers, or their society. The LGBTIQ movement seeks a long term change to that, in the same way as others seek change to racial, gender and religious intolerance. Publicity is part of that gradual effort. Qantas seeks to be part of that, and as a pilot employee I'm personally proud to see them do so.

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 07:15
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Originally Posted by Derfred View Post
This is hilarious! The tolerant need to become tolerant of the intolerant?

There are no thought police. You can think whatever you like, but when you start making intolerant remarks, behaviours or public internet posts you need to and will be pulled up.

Paedophiles may have been born that way, and they can go their whole lives having dreams of kiddy fiddling, but if they ever engage in the practice, or promote their desires publicly, they can expect to be dealt with. The difference is that the kiddies can't, or don't know to, defend themselves (hence the legal definition of "statutory rape" and the prohibition of child porn). The suggestion that this will change in the future is ludicrous.

Interestingly, however, the intolerant have not been born that way. They have generally learned to be that way by either their upbringing, their peers, or their society. The LGBTIQ movement seeks a long term change to that, in the same way as others seek change to racial, gender and religious intolerance. Publicity is part of that gradual effort. Qantas seeks to be part of that, and as a pilot employee I'm personally proud to see them do so.
You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to disagree with you.

I prefer not to fly around in a Mardi Gras float, and I'm disappointed in my company that they are forcing me to do so. If you want to go join the parade, go for it. Just don't force me to be a part of what I find to be disgusting.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 07:49
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Originally Posted by IsDon View Post
You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to disagree with you.

I prefer not to fly around in a Mardi Gras float, and I'm disappointed in my company that they are forcing me to do so. If you want to go join the parade, go for it. Just don't force me to be a part of what I find to be disgusting.
Maybe you should let your manager know how you feel?
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 08:28
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Originally Posted by Jc31 View Post
Maybe you should let your manager know how you feel?
I have. He understands my position.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:06
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A couple of Bernardi worshippers lurkin....


Must be unsettling to live in such fear...
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:14
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Originally Posted by Exit Strategy View Post
phobia
ˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
noun: phobia; plural noun: phobias
an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

I don't know anybody who has a fear of them but know plenty that don't like them.
While you were on Dictionary.com did you happen to read the definition of aversion? I'll help you out...
Aversion: noun
1. a strong feeling of dislike, opposition, repugnance, or antipathy (usually followed by to):
2. a cause or object of dislike; person or thing that causes antipathy:

So all those people you know who "don't like" gay people, well they are homophobic.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:43
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Originally Posted by IsDon View Post
I have. He understands my position.
Well in the UK such a position would be illegal in an employment context, and would force your employer to bring a disciplinary action which (if the position didn't change) would lead to dismissal. Any supervisor/manager who was aware of that position in one of his/her subordinates (or indeed in any employee) and failed to address it would also face disciplinary action (and probable dismissal), as well as layingthe company open to some quite large fines and compensation.

Legally and socially homophobia is SO last-century, you know.

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 10:09
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Originally Posted by framer View Post
I call BS.
Most Engineers have ceased living in the 80's and are enjoying the present decade where issues like this are....... non-issues.
Call what you like, it doesn't change the fact that pollies and gays don't want to hold a plebiscite on gay marriage because they know the people won't pass it.

Times are changing, the pendlum is "swinging" back. Just look at brexit, Germany, France, the USA, One Nation.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 10:10
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Well in the UK such a position would be illegal in an employment context, and would force your employer to bring a disciplinary action which (if the position didn't change) would lead to dismissal. Any supervisor/manager who was aware of that position in one of his/her subordinates (or indeed in any employee) and failed to address it would also face disciplinary action (and probable dismissal), as well as layingthe company open to some quite large fines and compensation.

Legally and socially homophobia is SO last-century, you know.

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Lucky an openly gay CEO also using his company bank balance to internationally promote gay issues has never been to Dubai and wouldn't have ever considered forcing any of his like minded customers into such a jurisdiction....
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 10:11
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IsDon, you could do as another pilot did recently and quit over it. I'm sure the Qantas group won't miss him or anyone else with similar views.

I've heard Emirates are hiring. Might be more in line with your views.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 10:28
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Originally Posted by Fonz121 View Post
IsDon, you could do as another pilot did recently and quit over it. I'm sure the Qantas group won't miss him or anyone else with similar views.

Wwhhhhaaaaaa

For reals? Damn I'm out of the loop
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