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Old 20th Jan 2017, 04:49
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Christ there is some shit talked on this thread.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 08:04
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Christ there is some shit talked on this thread.
Christ there is some shit talked on PPRuNe.

I fixed it for you.


PS Imagine if only actual professional pilots could comment on here. On second thoughts it would be just the same. I am amazed every day in the flight deck what people will believe.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 08:26
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I am amazed every day in the flight deck what people will believe.
And the people who are sitting next to you are thinking exactly the same thing.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 08:29
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And the people who are sitting next to you are thinking exactly the same thing.
Unlikely, if I cannot see it with my own eyes I never believe it. There is a saying passed down from the previous generation...it's real when you can walk into the hangar and pee on the tyres...in regard to new types being introduced.

Now stop presuming to know what I say or think and get back to flight sim.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 08:38
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Wow hubris and hypocrisy all in the one post and the cherry on top is a presumption of monumental proportions. Well done.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 10:44
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B772,

I reckon a standard A320 could carry a 90% load on a 6 hour flight and still land with 3 to 4 tonne (just about enough for a tempo). Better yet in the Sharklet variety. Better again with the higher gross weight option. The need to carry tempo in winter would be diminished, but probably would be compensated for by a need for longer sector fuel due stronger headwinds, so nil practical difference.

Sure, it wouldn't be quite a full load, but it'd be pretty close.

With the optional auxilliary fuel tank (bringing the fuel capacity to almost exactly that of the B738) it would be a no-brainer.

And TT are not doing SYD or BNE to DPS. JQ already to ADL and PER in the A320, so those sectors are no issue.
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 01:06
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Not sure where you get those numbers from, but I'd say they're optimistic. Never seen any 'aux' tanks for a 320, but not sure it would help anyway due weight issues.

Couple of facts:

77t MTOW
18.7t (max fuel)
58.3t left over....
45t operating empty weight.
13.3t left over for whatever you want to fill it with.....
No idea what TT standard pax weight is but 82 seems to be the going rate with 14 kg bag per pax.
Me thinks around 139 seats on a 180 seat aircraft. 77% capacity

Fuel. 18.7 max
-1.3 fixed
-1.0 variable
16.4 left.
Burn 2.4t per/hour(absolute BEST case) = 6.8hrs range in nil wind
A bit 'toit' with any holding in Bali or wx north of AS!
So on paper it's doable, but not really set up for this run in seat numbers or fuel capacity.

Not sure the sharklets do 4/5th's of F$&k all for any fuel savings, but they do look keeeewl.
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 02:34
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The A320 ops to DPS are short term only (perhaps 1-2 months), until Tiger has approval for the B737. Tiger's first B737 to be added to their AOC has been undergoing crew training this week and once they have the B737 on the AOC another 2-3 will be transferred rather quickly from Virgin to Tiger.

So although the A320 is not the ideal option and may require capping the pax or a tech stop in Darwin, it gets them back in the market. The bogans that fly to DPS will forget the last few weeks once Tiger offers a sale to DPS when the A320 starts.
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 02:56
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So the burning question, was there ever any intention to put the 737 on the tiger aoc or has this just forced their hand?
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 03:10
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Originally Posted by GA Driver View Post
So the burning question, was there ever any intention to put the 737 on the tiger aoc or has this just forced their hand?
Maybe the whole ASX announcement 6 months ago saying they were replacing all a320s with 737s was a bit of a hint?
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 04:16
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I worded that poorly. I meant was there any intention to put the existing 737's on the Tiger aoc until the replacement started? The announcement was 6 months ago, haven't seen a replacement a/c yet, hence the original question had this just forced their hand?
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 04:35
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Simple reason behind the lack of replacements is because they are behind schedule.

It was meant to happen 2 months ago but got delayed further. Domestic 737 was due to start late November.

Tiger will have a net increase in aircraft once all A320s have been replaced, +3 Bali Machines.

Looks like they are fighting to get 737 Domestic up and going before the A320s go to Bali otherwise it's going to screw the Domestic schedule.
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 08:03
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Not sure where you get those numbers from, but I'd say they're optimistic. Never seen any 'aux' tanks for a 320, but not sure it would help anyway due weight issues.

Couple of facts:

77t MTOW
18.7t (max fuel)
58.3t left over....
45t operating empty weight.
13.3t left over for whatever you want to fill it with.....
No idea what TT standard pax weight is but 82 seems to be the going rate with 14 kg bag per pax.
Me thinks around 139 seats on a 180 seat aircraft. 77% capacity

Fuel. 18.7 max
-1.3 fixed
-1.0 variable
16.4 left.
Burn 2.4t per/hour(absolute BEST case) = 6.8hrs range in nil wind
A bit 'toit' with any holding in Bali or wx north of AS!
So on paper it's doable, but not really set up for this run in seat numbers or fuel capacity.
If 18.7 ton is all they hold, they are going to struggle doing MEL - DPS in the summer with Tempo TS the usual on DPS and the alternates (WARR or WADL). Usually it's 20.5 in the 737 (similar burn and speed) to arrive with enough for Lombok + 60 where the weather at Lombok is usually worse than Bali, or Surabaya + 60. If it's flight planned on the TAF that comes out early in the morning with no Tempos TS, it always changes enroute. Sometimes the forecast won't change, and there will be a TS sitting overhead for an hour unforcast.

In winter the weather is good, but the flight times can be an hour longer from MEL. Block times over 7 hours are not uncommon with ATC delays into DPS.

Good luck.
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 08:49
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My reading of the situation is not looking rosy for Tiger. I believe the costs will have a serious impact on the Virgin financial position. Expect an ASX announcement soon.
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 09:31
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Expect an ASX announcement soon.
Hopefully announcing a new CEO.
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 10:55
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I heard a story that this may well be the case Bullwinkle! The current one has been missing in action for a little while.
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Old 24th Jan 2017, 05:52
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Hopefully announcing a new CEO.
... for VA
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Old 24th Jan 2017, 06:12
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.... for VA
That's what I meant!
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Old 24th Jan 2017, 09:20
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Hopefully announcing a new CEO
.....James Hogan? .
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Old 24th Jan 2017, 09:35
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