Qantas' broken and overworked A380 fleet
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Me thinks your logic is a wee bit warped there NZKiwi, an almost angelic name to boot, I might add.
Duty travel tech crew are booked firm, no travelling public displaced!
Another thing ,no tech crew , no go , which is the only reason tech crew would displace paying passengers otherwise Alan and every other passenger would miss their party.
Plus it's contractually agreed upon, for techies to be up the pointy end vieing against all the management wunderkinds and fatigue issues might have something to do with the whole enchilada for tech crew as well.
Duty travel tech crew are booked firm, no travelling public displaced!
Another thing ,no tech crew , no go , which is the only reason tech crew would displace paying passengers otherwise Alan and every other passenger would miss their party.
Plus it's contractually agreed upon, for techies to be up the pointy end vieing against all the management wunderkinds and fatigue issues might have something to do with the whole enchilada for tech crew as well.
If crew are "must go" for operational requirements, I don't see a problem. Otherwise more people with be disrupted.
Pilots and cabin crew keep QF operating. If they are booked duty travel and are "must go" (I'm sure people here can figure out what that means), then they SHOULD displace paying passengers, that's obvious. Management are never "must go". They are important, but are not operationally important.
However, again, nobody has verified that AJ was there. I know for a fact he has stayed behind in the past to allow Passengers to get home. Just seems too convenient for the lynch mob.
Pilots and cabin crew keep QF operating. If they are booked duty travel and are "must go" (I'm sure people here can figure out what that means), then they SHOULD displace paying passengers, that's obvious. Management are never "must go". They are important, but are not operationally important.
However, again, nobody has verified that AJ was there. I know for a fact he has stayed behind in the past to allow Passengers to get home. Just seems too convenient for the lynch mob.
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Hi all....have not posted for years but got on here to see what was happening to the A380 gone AOG......as far as I remember AJ payed full price for his seat part of his deal as CEO...don't know if that is still correct ...I don't like him like the rest of people on here for what he has done to this airline but as the CEO and only taking one seat ...does it make that much difference.....on a side note I bumped him to y-class years ago when I was on duty travel and he was CEO of Jetstar....he was not happy.....but I was and he still remembered it when I meet him at a few QF meetings ...all I said to him was ...."you should have a better union looking after you"...funny at the time
Let's not forget that this guy has form when it comes to inconveniencing his customers. He shut down the entire airline. Remember that?
Not even Australia's enemies managed to do that during WWII.
Not even Australia's enemies managed to do that during WWII.
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Relax and enjoy
I remember paxing home on duty travel after a very long day of multi sector domestic flying.
The gate agent asked if I'd accept the jump seat so they could upgrade someone.
Being a two hour sector BNE/MEL and having to use the uncomfortable 737 jump seat I politely declined.
She snarled at me for not being a team player and told me many pilots offer up their duty travel seat in the cabin.
If it's ok for the CEO to take a seat when things go bad then the example has been set. I'm not suggesting The CEO has done anything wrong either.
He may have been entitled to a seat just as our staff are whilst "on duty".
If I'm ever asked again I'll think, what would Alan do now?
The gate agent asked if I'd accept the jump seat so they could upgrade someone.
Being a two hour sector BNE/MEL and having to use the uncomfortable 737 jump seat I politely declined.
She snarled at me for not being a team player and told me many pilots offer up their duty travel seat in the cabin.
If it's ok for the CEO to take a seat when things go bad then the example has been set. I'm not suggesting The CEO has done anything wrong either.
He may have been entitled to a seat just as our staff are whilst "on duty".
If I'm ever asked again I'll think, what would Alan do now?
He shut down the entire airline.
Back to the topic.....
What has this to do with the A380 fleet utilisation? And what AJ did was what any half-decent CEO would have done given the evidence that was put before him. Qantas, as a result of wildcat industrial action, was at the time notoriously unreliable to the extent that forward bookings had fallen over a cliff. Should he have acquiesced or taken action to bring the nonsense to an end? I, and many others, think he did the right thing.
Back to the topic.....
Back to the topic.....
What AJ did was panic, the man has the managerial skills of an household pot plant. He shouldn't be in charge of anything more complex than a garage door opener as he is demonstrably incompetent. His skill lies in extracting himself a good deal - and in that, he's pretty good. The airline is but a shadow of its former self and is depressing to know. But clearly you don't understand or you wouldn't hold an incompetent in such high regard. On your 'Back to the topic' comment, you will find (sooner or later) that all roads do indeed lead to Rome. In AJ's exalted office there would have been a glass box with a fiddle inside. The glass box has long been broken, such is the frequency of its use.
Ken, your comments do not reflect the facts at the time - it was an organised PR exercise to show the public that AJ was tough and decisive.
By management's own figures, the shutdown cost $190M (I believe that it was much more) and a further $60M was spent on subsequent legal expenses. The real cost was the extreme damage that was done to hundreds of thousand loyal Qantas passengers.
The lengths that Joyce went to to prevent the book about this dreadful act from being published is indicative of how deceitful he was to the public and shareholders. The shareholders should be outraged about the damage done and the reduction in share values.
By management's own figures, the shutdown cost $190M (I believe that it was much more) and a further $60M was spent on subsequent legal expenses. The real cost was the extreme damage that was done to hundreds of thousand loyal Qantas passengers.
The lengths that Joyce went to to prevent the book about this dreadful act from being published is indicative of how deceitful he was to the public and shareholders. The shareholders should be outraged about the damage done and the reduction in share values.
Not only the A380's, every night I hear QF25 fly overhead on its way to Japan, you can tell when the older B747's are being used, because they "whine" like they are struggling to keep running. The more modern ones don't have the whine.
Clearly they need more and better maintenance.
Clearly they need more and better maintenance.
Other way around I think you'll find... GEs have always done that. I used to prefer to fly Ansett wherever possible over TAA in the old days because I couldn't abide the whiny sound of the A300, it was like a constant droning while especially on decent and approach. DC-10s which mainly had GE CF6 also had that sound.
There was at other airlines, it was an IATA code but for Qantas it was originally BM1P/P100 or MM1P/P100 when they had alpha numerics (e.g. Crew who were positioning were Postive Space, e.g. PS5P/P185, etc. and High Priority LSL trip CS, etc. I can't remember all the codes but it was something like, in descending order MM/BM, FS, PS, CS, AD, SA and then they went to numerics... Senior Mgmt/CEO/Board Member when on urgent business (read, always)... 1, Operational Duty Travel something like 11 through 18, starting with Tech Crew and flowing through to Cabin but actually useable by Ground Staff as well... many thought that was a Crew code but it was actually "Positioning to effect the operation of an aircraft". I had one once, a new process was required to be trained to staff at a certain location to do with Loadsheet production, we were given an Op Duty Tvl category because if we had not been there and trained the personnel, the aeroplane may not have operated. Following on from that (they've probably changed now) was 19 (Commercial Upgrade, usually due prev. mishandled or similar), 20-35 various levels of semi-firm travel and the higher class of e.g. 30 year LSL trip or something then Space available from about 45 through to 77 - e.g. 77Y/Y4000/YY (where YY is other airline code). From memory the first number is the onload priority, then the bookable class, / then maximum upgradable class, then a number which defines the upgrade order but is made up of two digits indicating type of travel and year of joining. It was a very simple and effective system and even in the QUBE days, pre-Amadaeus CM DCS, the table in the system which I think was called the CPI (carrier priority index) was spot on accurate, you would need to override it at flight close to upgrade wrongly and it would be picked up. From other aspects I've seen of CM, I assume it's a lost more sophisticated now as I think if upgrades (staff aside) of commercial pax are required I think the system has a file that ranks by FF tier then and/or by pax priority, e.g. the company that is most valuable to QF and perhaps the person that signs the contracts can rocket to the top which is pretty smart business actually however this last bit I was told so it may be a capability that I haven't described properly or on the wish list but I'm pretty sure it's real. You can bet despite the outcome of the DXB delay that I bet Platinum One, Platinum and Gold didn't have to hang around.
"His" airline? Get real!
He SHOULD not have a seat to begin with and wait in line with all the others on staff travel; those folks paying for his lavish lifestyle SHOULD have the highest of all priority, in all cases, excepting defined exceptional circumstances.
Joyce is nothing more than a recipient of the spoils earnt by many hard working people. He is not singularly responsible for its success, either.
Should his position, or any other like it, allow priority passage over the common man paying his "less than A380 Captain's" wage?
In my view, an emphatic no!
He SHOULD not have a seat to begin with and wait in line with all the others on staff travel; those folks paying for his lavish lifestyle SHOULD have the highest of all priority, in all cases, excepting defined exceptional circumstances.
Joyce is nothing more than a recipient of the spoils earnt by many hard working people. He is not singularly responsible for its success, either.
Should his position, or any other like it, allow priority passage over the common man paying his "less than A380 Captain's" wage?
In my view, an emphatic no!
Isn't the CEO one of the category's of staff allowed to travel on the flight deck?
Then why the hell didn't he lead by example and do that rather than displace commercial passengers.
The very people who cough up some $14 million bucks a year to pay his remuneration.
This leads into another question.
How many $ millions of bucks are Year are spent on Bain & Co?
Why is this exorbitant amount spent on consultants to make business decisions when Qantas already has one of the highest paid executive airline management teams in the world.
OINK OINK , pigs at a trough!
PS FLIEGENMONG very cryptic, reference the chocolate bar.
Anything to do with brown hankies or bandannas in the back pocket?
Then why the hell didn't he lead by example and do that rather than displace commercial passengers.
The very people who cough up some $14 million bucks a year to pay his remuneration.
This leads into another question.
How many $ millions of bucks are Year are spent on Bain & Co?
Why is this exorbitant amount spent on consultants to make business decisions when Qantas already has one of the highest paid executive airline management teams in the world.
OINK OINK , pigs at a trough!
PS FLIEGENMONG very cryptic, reference the chocolate bar.
Anything to do with brown hankies or bandannas in the back pocket?
Isn't the CEO one of the category's of staff allowed to travel on the flight deck?
Then why the hell didn't he lead by example and do that rather than displace commercial passengers.
The very people who cough up some $14 million bucks a year to pay his remuneration.
This leads into another question.
How many $ millions of bucks are Year are spent on Bain & Co?
Why is this exorbitant amount spent on consultants to make business decisions when Qantas already has one of the highest paid executive airline management teams in the world.
OINK OINK , pigs at a trough!
PS FLIEGENMONG very cryptic, reference the chocolate bar.
Anything to do with brown hankies or bandannas in the back pocket?
Then why the hell didn't he lead by example and do that rather than displace commercial passengers.
The very people who cough up some $14 million bucks a year to pay his remuneration.
This leads into another question.
How many $ millions of bucks are Year are spent on Bain & Co?
Why is this exorbitant amount spent on consultants to make business decisions when Qantas already has one of the highest paid executive airline management teams in the world.
OINK OINK , pigs at a trough!
PS FLIEGENMONG very cryptic, reference the chocolate bar.
Anything to do with brown hankies or bandannas in the back pocket?
