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And we have an air transportation system in which the chief protagonists, pilots and ATC, admit 'They have no control AT ALL over the magnitude or configuration of the delays.' 
Not saying I have the answer, just sayin'
How dare you. This Australia. Everything we do is rocket science.
Not saying I have the answer, just sayin'
It’s not rocket science...
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Responses by ATC apologists are straight out of Utopia or Yes Minister. The hospital is empty but its the most efficient in the country. You just don’t get it .
Allow aircraft to takeoff at their performance limit. If they need the long runway, let them use the long runway, on request from clearance delivery.
Put the x-wind limit back to 25 knots. Like it used to be . Or shut RWY 27 altogether and get the movement rate up to the same as Gatwick.
And introduce a real slot time system, not the half-a#sed COBT.
But either way FIX IT for pities sake! Have you any idea how pathetic this circus looks from anywhere outside Australia?
Allow aircraft to takeoff at their performance limit. If they need the long runway, let them use the long runway, on request from clearance delivery.
Put the x-wind limit back to 25 knots. Like it used to be . Or shut RWY 27 altogether and get the movement rate up to the same as Gatwick.
And introduce a real slot time system, not the half-a#sed COBT.
But either way FIX IT for pities sake! Have you any idea how pathetic this circus looks from anywhere outside Australia?
Last edited by George Glass; 3rd Oct 2019 at 07:06.
Responses by ATC apologists are straight out of Utopia or Yes Minister. The hospital is empty but its the most efficient in the country.
Now if that is what is actually possible why do we have so much congestion?
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Put the x-wind limit back to 25 knots. Like it used to be . Or shut RWY 27 altogether and get the movement rate up to the same as Gatwick.
And introduce a real slot time system, not the half-a#sed COBT.
But either way FIX IT for pities sake! Have you any idea how pathetic this circus looks from anywhere outside Australia?
And introduce a real slot time system, not the half-a#sed COBT.
But either way FIX IT for pities sake! Have you any idea how pathetic this circus looks from anywhere outside Australia?
I think by this stage you’ve figured out the crux of this conundrum, ATC does what they can with what they’ve got. And when the majority of capital city airports here have poor (or no) access to high speed taxiways, awkward taxiway placement and inefficiencies in flow management capability the amount of investment needed to get us up to speed with proper modern airports would amount to billions... And I don’t know if there are many willing investors out there!
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I think you'll find that most ATC's love moving traffic, it's not only an ego thing, it's professional pride. Give them the resources and they will move more. Give them a crap system and you'll get crap results.
- Privatised airports, awesome! You're gunna get the best runway and taxyway set up there, aren't you.
- COBT, what an embarrassing joke. I'm sure that it's backed up by a state of the art flow management system, not.
- Movement caps and curfews, instituted by a member of parliament that hates aircraft, pilots etc but loves the Chairman's Club.
Watch Alan Joyce and the Virgin fellows episode of the Press Club, (iview), you'll see half of what aviation is up against in this 3rd world country parading as 1st.
morno, the explanation you got for COBT is a bit simplistic!
- Privatised airports, awesome! You're gunna get the best runway and taxyway set up there, aren't you.
- COBT, what an embarrassing joke. I'm sure that it's backed up by a state of the art flow management system, not.
- Movement caps and curfews, instituted by a member of parliament that hates aircraft, pilots etc but loves the Chairman's Club.
Watch Alan Joyce and the Virgin fellows episode of the Press Club, (iview), you'll see half of what aviation is up against in this 3rd world country parading as 1st.
morno, the explanation you got for COBT is a bit simplistic!
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You people stress yourselves too much about small things that you can do very little about. I just accepted whatever came and dealt with it. Thankfully I’m only slightly grey as a result.
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If by 'you people' you're talking about ATC's stressing about things they can't do anything about, they don't really, there's other things to stress about.
A better word is frustrated. Frustrated that you can do more but you're hamstrung by morons (politicians), more morons (privatised airports), and even bigger morons (whomever half arsed a joke of a COBT program).
A better word is frustrated. Frustrated that you can do more but you're hamstrung by morons (politicians), more morons (privatised airports), and even bigger morons (whomever half arsed a joke of a COBT program).
One of the major problems encountered by Melbourne and Sydney is the International aircraft arriving well ahead of their gate slot. Hurry up and wait.
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Almost couldn’t believe it when I saw them using Runway 09 for arrivals and Runway 16 for departures on the ATIS this arvo/evening. Wind 140/13. Is this a trial? Anyway, hats off to ATC, they are obviously trying to improve things and this is a great start. Well done!
Id be interested to hear from ATC if this runway config is more efficient with as many aircraft as possible taking off at ‘E’ (ie does aircraft taking off north of 09/27 reduce the departure rate?).
I assume once the current taxi way works around E are finished this might make things a little easier to use this configuration too.
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Operated into ML a few weeks ago when 09 was in use for arrivals. It was interesting too see a few jets coming off on A, when Jepps says P is the preferred exit for jets. Maybe a case of unfamiliarity and not looking at the Jepps Airport Efficiency page?
Alpha is always available to vacate as far as ATC are concerned, except when there is an aircraft taxying for Bravo or Charlie. Doesn’t work so well then. In that case TWR should advise with the landing clearance that it is not available.
Interesting situation. Requested vacate via A, was approved. Land, Turn the corner expecting virgin to be holding short Echo... nope, they were cleared to the A holding point. Luckily they had room to turn onto E otherwise things would have been a little more interesting.
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With around 90% of departing aircraft using intersection Echo, 09 Arrivals and 16 Departures is more efficient and has less risk, due to the independent nature of that operation.