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Old 14th Dec 2016, 21:10
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Price isn’t everything. Cathay and Singapore Airlines Ltd. both have a five-star rating for product and service from airline rating system Skytrax. Hainan Airlines Co. is the only mainland Chinese carrier among the world’s nine top-rated airlines. National carrier Air China has three stars.

No mention of safety. Do people really think all airlines in the world are equally safe? Funny how they mainly shop on price alone (despite what the quote states) & then scream & sob (if they are still alive) when it all goes horribly wrong.
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No mention of safety. Do people really think all airlines in the world are equally safe? Funny how they mainly shop on price alone (despite what the quote states) & then scream & sob (if they are still alive) when it all goes horribly wrong.
It's also hard to fathom why people don't ask why it's so much cheaper? There has to be a reason for the price difference, rarely do some bother to think why. Many parts of the equation are fixed for all operators, airways fees, airport fees, aircraft purchase/lease costs, fuel etc, so to have a major price difference has to mean more than just the salary of the staff.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 02:06
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Morno... "I thought I worked with the worlds most arrogant guy. Turns out he's a champion compared to you Gnads man"

Not sure where you get the 'arrogance' inclination from. Gnads is being pragmatic from where I'm looking. Sure 300k isn't a bad wage but as an expat pilot making significantly more than that I can assure you it isn't a massive wage. Not bad by aviation standards down there but not a massive wage. Don't sell yourself short.
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 09:11
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I'm always interested how other airlines are going you know like air Canada, eh!, air New Zealand and tiger etc, I suppose it's better than reporting loses and a shrinking network at VA
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VA very slow paying creditors right now...

At least one overseas leasing show way behind on rentals...
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 19:59
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TBM - how exactly would you know that with any level of certainty?
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 21:05
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TBM - how exactly would you know that with any level of certainty?
I think that's common knowledge.
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 23:56
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I think we think it is the case but whether it is true is a completely different matter.

I have heard so many rumours told with absolute conviction and certainty that I know for a fact were bull**** that when someone says something that they cannot possibly know for sure to be the case then i get suspicious.

Let's face it, there would be a small circle in VA finance that would know who is getting paid what - and they wouldn't blab for fear of getting the arse, the individual leasing companies would know but they wouldn't blab in case it started a loss of confidence that sent the business into greater financial difficulty - meaning they would be even less likely to get their dough - so they wouldn't blab and if it was really true they would come in and grab their aeroplanes. Look back to compass I or II and see how quickly the lessors moved.

I don't doubt they are stretching their payment terms out and many many business do the same - not uncommon to see business run in 90 day accounts payable - it sucks for those that are owed the money but not all that uncommon.
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My source is impeccable. The head of a leasing company I've known for 20 years...they're on a very very slow drip.

Where did all the dosh go that has been poured in in the last year or so??

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Old 17th Dec 2016, 12:41
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Why is there so much spite for VA? I don't work for them, but surely trying to scare 1000+ Pilots this time of year is just bloody cruel?

They'll come good and the naysayers will be foretelling QFs demise again while JB is the golden haired boy.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 20:05
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Why is there so much spite for VA? I don't work for them, but surely trying to scare 1000+ Pilots this time of year is just bloody cruel?

They'll come good and the naysayers will be foretelling QFs demise again while JB is the golden haired boy.
Because that's TBM's M.O. The slightest bit on negative news about VA and he gets wind burn running to the keyboard to partake in some schadenfreude.
Pathetic.
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 02:23
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Virgin America has fallen to Alaska Airlines. It will take some time before the two airlines are on the one operating certificate. Virgin America tickets go on sale within the Alaska website later today 19/12/16
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Well a few years back it was Alan Joyce and QF that would get a pasting here. Since then their share price as tripled.
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 02:59
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Any word on the delayed 737 AOC for Tiger? CASA must be on its well deserved extended Xmas break no green light till early next year apparently.
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Competition regulator issues draft determination rejecting proposed Virgin Australia-Alliance Airlines charter partnership

Competition regulator issues draft determination rejecting proposed Virgin Australia-Alliance Airlines charter partnership | Australian Aviation

This will have an impact on their plans.
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 07:32
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Any word on the delayed 737 AOC for Tiger? CASA must be on its well deserved extended Xmas break no green light till early next year apparently
Yep.... it doesn't matter how many ex-CASA big wigs they hire to push the process, its only going to happen when the bureaucracy lets you.

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Old 19th Dec 2016, 22:58
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Hey Donald Trump...

Why don't you just build a wall and keep the chinese out?....and oh....and make them pay for it...
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 02:51
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Friends, it is now official. The crooked far left's attempt to undermine democracy in my country and promote widespread civil unrest by attempting to influence the electoral vote has failed.

Interestingly like clockwork, we can resume reporting on terrorist attacks now that I will become the next president of the United States of America. The civilized world must change their thinking! This politically sensitive topic is destroying airlines and if not tackled head on, no body will want to fly.

MONK, I have thought of building a wall to keep the Chinese out; it would be a structure of beauty and greatness. A Great Wall if you will.

"Make Aviation Great Again"
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 03:14
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Business Insider Australia have an interesting article from Dec 8 on Virgin's new safety video.

Virgin Australia's new safety video featuring a Supercar racing around Bathurst is a bit weird | Business Insider

The bogans may love it but I doubt granny does. From a business perspective it does seem a rather strange thing to do...Don't really think you could call Virgin "high performance" either.


After watching it for the first time all I can say is "Good God what were they and that Captain thinking?"

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