Pilot shortage
So Qantas leak this and get those restrictive laws lifted thus allowing them to employ 457 (or equivalent) visas. What’s to say they won’t still understaff?
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They didn't train for 10 years, and now they wonder why the equivalent of 3 B737's are parked against the fence.
Senior training management requested training/ recruitment approximately 3 years before it did. Everything went on the back burner so KPI's could be achieved. Now they have excess on some fleets, whilst critical shortages occur on other (B737, 744, A330 F/o's for the last 5 years). Blame the staff, and then present this as more reasons for 457's.
Piss up in a brewery comes to mind.
Senior training management requested training/ recruitment approximately 3 years before it did. Everything went on the back burner so KPI's could be achieved. Now they have excess on some fleets, whilst critical shortages occur on other (B737, 744, A330 F/o's for the last 5 years). Blame the staff, and then present this as more reasons for 457's.
Piss up in a brewery comes to mind.
They didn't train for 10 years, and now they wonder why the equivalent of 3 B737's are parked against the fence.
Senior training management requested training/ recruitment approximately 3 years before it did. Everything went on the back burner so KPI's could be achieved. Now they have excess on some fleets, whilst critical shortages occur on other (B737, 744, A330 F/o's for the last 5 years). Blame the staff, and then present this as more reasons for 457's.
Piss up in a brewery comes to mind.
Senior training management requested training/ recruitment approximately 3 years before it did. Everything went on the back burner so KPI's could be achieved. Now they have excess on some fleets, whilst critical shortages occur on other (B737, 744, A330 F/o's for the last 5 years). Blame the staff, and then present this as more reasons for 457's.
Piss up in a brewery comes to mind.
Completely self inflicted
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Worlds greatest airline CEO ( going on earnings ) and he struggles to get pilot numbers right ? Now runs to government to demand they let him get cheap pilots from overseas . If govt really represent Australians they would tell him sort it out by training and hiring Australians for a fair wage !
Where are these mythical cheap pilots coming from?
Europe, not likely. USA no way they are booming. SE Asia, no way. So what a few from South Africa and the odd European who wants a change of scenery?
Why would they be any cheaper than local guys, they would be employed on the same EBA. In fact they cost more to get on line due to the admin costs involved dealing with immigration.
The 457 (old name) threat is an empty threat.
Europe, not likely. USA no way they are booming. SE Asia, no way. So what a few from South Africa and the odd European who wants a change of scenery?
Why would they be any cheaper than local guys, they would be employed on the same EBA. In fact they cost more to get on line due to the admin costs involved dealing with immigration.
The 457 (old name) threat is an empty threat.
They need ready made Australian guys from EK CX and the Like to come home , but need to hold equivalent positions , then they will be swamped .
its sad you need to lose rank after a long flying career just to change Airlines !
its sad you need to lose rank after a long flying career just to change Airlines !
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You don't. But if you want to get into a Legacy/Major back home - whether it be the USA, UK, Aust, Germany,France or wherever, then you do. That's life, and so be it. Join the bottom of the queue, and don't try to leapfrog those who have worked their way up over a long time. That's the career you go into, everybody understands it when they start, and so don't complain about it now because you no longer want to live overseas, and wish to return home.
The saying, ‘you made your bed......’ comes to mind.
They need ready made Australian guys from EK CX and the Like to come home , but need to hold equivalent positions , then they will be swamped .
its sad you need to lose rank after a long flying career just to change Airlines !
its sad you need to lose rank after a long flying career just to change Airlines !
And what about the F/O who's not quite upgradable yet and suddenly finds a load of pilots with 10-15 years flying left in them suddenly appearing in the captain's seat ?
I too wish to have my cake and eat it also
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So F/o's who have been in QF mainline don't have enough experience (22 years to East Coast 737 Command, around 26 for widebody), so we should alllow DEC?'s Yeah, right. What BS.
I don't think QF mainline is the subject of this thread, nor can I ever imagine a DEC scenario in QF. Direct entry F/O* does happen and likely will from time to time in the future too.
*direct F/O trainee after a day as an S/O trainee.
I wonder though if DEC is on the cards at the regionals?
*direct F/O trainee after a day as an S/O trainee.
I wonder though if DEC is on the cards at the regionals?
I’m happy to join as an F/O ,that’s some respect for my experience . But there is no separate application for this . Surely that is fair when competing with people with 500total hours !
regarding respect for your experience: sorry. If it wasn’t gained with us then its suspect and perhaps why we'll have to keep a close eye on you for any bad habits you collected out there in the world. We will do everything possible to extend respect for your choice of gender, your sexual proclivities, your accent, foibles, race, colour and creed. But not for your experience. Beats me why that is.
Also....you’re not competing with 500 hr applicants.
Let alone those currently going straight to the RHS of the 737 after a token day or two as SO
Lay off the Kool Aid
Last edited by chookcooker; 8th Jun 2018 at 08:41.