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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 10:20
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Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
No mention of academic requirements, i.e., passes in year 12 subjects .
Passes in ATPL subjects deemed to demonstrate the required level of mental aptitude.... plus probably what Gordon said!
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Berealgetreal
Thanks AerocatS2A. So for a boeing or airbus driver: Medical, 14 exams and a sim ride?

With the exams, how do they do them over there? Database of questions thats very similar to the exam or books followed by exams?
Not sure, I haven't done it yet. About £800 to get a CBT from Bristol. Exams can be done in various places around the world, though as far as I can tell there are no Australia based sittings.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 11:54
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Years ago you could do it in Perth. There was also a CAA med examiner on the Sunshine Coast. The initial issue had to be done at Gatwick however. I’ve toyed with it for two decades. Should have done it before JAR. Long time ago but i came very close.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 22:51
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Dropping the year 12 requirement is probably just a function of the low quality education the schools are giving our snowflakes these days
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 01:50
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Is it a database of questions?
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 06:57
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That’s interesting information indeed. I’ve only heard bad things to date about the euro exams. What are the job prospects like over there? Conditions?
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 10:01
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That’s interesting information indeed. I’ve only heard bad things to date about the euro exams. What are the job prospects like over there? Conditions?
Lots of places taking DE commands. Ryanair, Easyjet, Norwegian I think. You don't even need an endorsement for some of them.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 15:13
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Did I just slip through a worm hole and end up in a Euro forum on pilot shortage?
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 06:25
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Did I just slip through a worm hole and end up in a Euro forum on pilot shortage?
The shortage isn’t here yet, so we console ourselves with shortages overseas.

We’re just relieving some overdue hiring pressure.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 07:02
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"The shortage isn't here yet..."
Are you serious?
You must have blinkers on or reading the wrong trade journals & jobs pages buddy because EVERYONE is recruiting. Yes including in Australia!
I know two regionals that will go backrupt by June if they don't recruit crew to keep their airframes in the air and fulfill their contracts. They already have aircraft "parked against the fence".
Every carrier in Australia has been or currently still is recruiting and that goes all the way down to the small charter operators... heck it's been a very long time since I've seen the large Pastoral Companies advertise like they have recently... that my friend, IS a shortage.

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Old 26th Mar 2018, 07:20
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I know of one operator in Darwin short of 6 pilots and another 20. Planes are up against the fence it is a massive crisis and as said operators will be going broke soon. Even those that can get pilots are losing them within 6 months.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 07:39
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"The shortage isn't here yet..."
Are you serious?
Yes they are, trapped in a time warp.
Article after article but somehow Australian exceptionalism was a standout, no shortage in Straya.

Qantas have embarked on a distraction to divide their pilots, 457 visas over Christmas, Network A320 and jetconnect, all standard IR responses to a cyclical shortage. This is not cyclical.

Rumour from a well placed source stated board discussion was indeed focused on pilot shortage to which Mr Joyce allegedly responded that there were measures in place to source 400 pilots by CY end.

The Qantas cadet school The little emperor's 'centrepiece' in his epic battle against pilots. (You know the school without a location, an AOC , instructors or students)

The big distraction will be a quick and dirty contract negotiation, try and scare the herd with the mentioned IR posturing in order to preserve what is left of the floor that is Australian terms and conditions. A long term contract......
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 08:12
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Regarding the European market (My apologies to those not interested).
easyJet (Airbus) take on DEC every now and then, not often. They do hoover up MPL and full time cadet pilots from L3 and Oxford.
Ryanair (Boeing 737), they are on the charm offensive and hiring a lot of people.
Norwegian (Boeing etc), definitely hiring experienced pilots. Ratings not required, ideally, experience in wide bodies or command on 40+ tonne jets useful.
We're hiring, but you'll be an FO for 10 years. (Large fractional bizjet operator)
Jet2 (Boeing 737 classic), hiring, usually quick commands for those with experience. Most folks I know do a year or two and jump to Virgin Atlantic if they can.
Vistajet, don't know, probably hiring.
BA etc, probably hiring.
Eurowings, hiring. (Must speak German)
Air France, hiring. (Must speak French)
Finnair, hiring (Must speak Finnish or Swedish).
UK regionals, various European regionals, hiring.

You'll need right of abode etc, EASA medical, exams and a licence... Budget a year to do it all. Unfortunately, in that time, it could all be over. Then the only folks hiring are easyJet and Ryanair and they'll take their cadets over experienced pilots.

Several airlines have recently gone bust, Air Berlin, Air Nikki, Monarch. Fortunately, the pilots were picked up by easyJet and Lufthansa. Alitalia's teetering on the edge again....
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 19:29
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"The shortage isn't here yet..."
Are you serious?
You must have blinkers on or reading the wrong trade journals & jobs pages buddy because EVERYONE is recruiting. Yes including in Australia!
I meet the mins nearly everytime and have been applying to all jet operators advertising since end of Feb and a few select turboprop ones.
I have heard nothing back apart from acknowledgement of receipt.

I know of one operator in Darwin short of 6 pilots and another 20. Planes are up against the fence it is a massive crisis and as said operators will be going broke soon. Even those that can get pilots are losing them within 6 months.
Either they are being too picky, or they are not paying well.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 20:16
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That's the problem. Operators wanting 2000TT and 500 multi PIC to sit RHS of a S340 or a Metro?

Qlink knocking people back for not having recent IFR time.

There either isn't a shortage yet or management and HR are in denial.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 21:13
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It has been said many times before; there is a shortage of pilots willing to work long hours for mediocre pay in Australia, not a shortage of pilots overall, yet. There are some exceptions to this, but generally, pilots are at the transition point where the group think is overpowering the IR/HR games. The only thing preventing this from being a rapid change is the highly resourced IR/HR departments who have been tasked with the job of perpetuating the myth that "times are tough" etc.


The party was long and we all drank in the myth to excess, but we are now waking up and seeing that the beauty we fell so easily for last night was really some bloke wearing a wig and a dress. The hangover will be very entertaining to watch from here.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Blitzkrieger
The party was long and we all drank in the myth to excess, but we are now waking up and seeing that the beauty we fell so easily for last night was really some bloke wearing a wig and a dress. The hangover will be very entertaining to watch from here.
That's quite a metaphor you've got going there.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 22:30
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Sounds like you had a bad experience on a night out in Thailand - not judging though.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 22:32
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What will really throw a cat amongst the pidgeons is when the China jobs go from 300k usd/year commuting to 500, 600k + /year in the foreseeable future.

There’s a point where money talks, and even legacies (worldwide) will struggle to compete with that kinda cash on offer, even if it is Asia and all the associated red tape, culture/CRM and way of doing business.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 00:12
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red snail thanks for the update.

Yes there is a point cash wise that will be impossible or stupid to ignore.
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