Pilot shortage
The FOQA data presented from the airline concerned was unambiguous and presented in a large international forum with over one hundred airlines present.
But it was still the result for one airline.
I know all too well the discouragement of both visual approaches and hand flying, and particularly hand flying, in a number of airlines, particularly European and Asian based. In one well known, accepting a visual approach clearance is almost a crime.
The net result is that the fundamental flying competence of individuals and the group is diminished, and the current "philosophy" of "more of the same" will gradually further diminish a fundamental competency.
To quote a good friend, who is a current IRE/TRE trainer: " We have created a huge problem, a huge rod for our own back, whether we can recover, time will tell".
At least the Airbus A350 standard rating syllabus suggests "light at the end of the tunnel". We shall see.
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Leadsled,
In case you hadn't realised and I have to spell it out, you do not need to preach to me. I work, train, and firmly believe in, a culture that expects a standard of real flying and maintaining raw flying skills in the more automated of the two main manufacturers. It can be done.
The point I make here is that there is still inertia in the industry against practising real skills on the line, and the evidence being presented will only make the cultural change we seek so much harder.
Killer Loop, totally agree... back to normal programming
In case you hadn't realised and I have to spell it out, you do not need to preach to me. I work, train, and firmly believe in, a culture that expects a standard of real flying and maintaining raw flying skills in the more automated of the two main manufacturers. It can be done.
The point I make here is that there is still inertia in the industry against practising real skills on the line, and the evidence being presented will only make the cultural change we seek so much harder.
Killer Loop, totally agree... back to normal programming
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Does Australia/Oceania have a pilot jobs board similar to the one in the link below?
https://www.climbto350.com/climbto35...jobs_board.cfm
The AFAP has their website of course, but I haven't seen anything in Oz like the above.
https://www.climbto350.com/climbto35...jobs_board.cfm
The AFAP has their website of course, but I haven't seen anything in Oz like the above.
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Years ago I recall one experienced Airbus captain flying in Asia saying of cadets foisted upon him as hanging on to his coat tails with the result he was flying single pilot IFR much of the time. There was a rumour that some cadets were dyeing their hair a shade of grey so passengers would think all pilots up front were experienced
with the result he was flying single pilot IFR much of the time.
But I do think he was overstating the case a bit.
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Nah, you just missed it - that was last week.
Sarcasm off - I've never known of so many jobs going in the aviation sector - good times!
Sarcasm off - I've never known of so many jobs going in the aviation sector - good times!
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Too true Joseph!
Pity the (mis)managements aren't shouldering the blame, then improving T's & C's to attract the HOME GROWN numbers required, that are here right now or overseas looking in!
With muppets like this at the RAAA lobbying the Govt and making comments like this... they still try to dance around the core issue.
‘In order to attract suitably senior pilots, who more than likely have a family growing up and so forth, we need to make it attractive enough for them to come across and uproot their family,’ said RAAA chief executive, Mike Higgins.
The Singaporeans @ RrrrrrrrrrExxxxxyyyy have been quick to jump on the "457 Visa" disgrace already.
SBS - "Foreign Pilots to plug Australian shortfall"
"Stop the Lie..." - Dick Smith / AOPA
Pity the (mis)managements aren't shouldering the blame, then improving T's & C's to attract the HOME GROWN numbers required, that are here right now or overseas looking in!
With muppets like this at the RAAA lobbying the Govt and making comments like this... they still try to dance around the core issue.
‘In order to attract suitably senior pilots, who more than likely have a family growing up and so forth, we need to make it attractive enough for them to come across and uproot their family,’ said RAAA chief executive, Mike Higgins.
The Singaporeans @ RrrrrrrrrrExxxxxyyyy have been quick to jump on the "457 Visa" disgrace already.
SBS - "Foreign Pilots to plug Australian shortfall"
"Stop the Lie..." - Dick Smith / AOPA
Even if they attract a few 457 visa applicants there is still an issue world wide, the global pilot population WILL relocate but to the BEST T & Cs. Which is what is sending Australian pilots offshore.
They must dream that somewhere there is a vast pool of type rated and current pilots waiting to board a flight to Australia. That is not the case.
They must dream that somewhere there is a vast pool of type rated and current pilots waiting to board a flight to Australia. That is not the case.
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They must dream that somewhere there is a vast pool of type rated and current pilots waiting to board a flight to Australia. That is not the case.
Unfortunately some airlines are a bit slow to realise that globalised supply chain works both ways and indeed labour has the ability to relocate.
There is a market clearing price which airlines in Australia will be loathe to match, whilst this occurs a shortage will persist.
Well the EK problem is solved by opening LHR, SYD, JFK bases. However they will never do that so I guess they're going to have a crewing problem along with everybody else.
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People keep mentioning this, as if it would be a normal and expected thing for Emirates to do. Are there other airlines which maintain crew bases outside their home country? I can't think of any other than Atlas and their now closed Stansted base. Aside from Europe, where things are in a grey zone somewhere in between "We are separate, sovereign countries" and "We're all one big happy country now" and aside from carriers who have contract crews provided by third party agencies, having a crew base outside your country seems a fairly rare situation.
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It certainly wouldn’t be normal if EK opened up foreign bases. But even if they wanted/needed is it feasible? I don’t know enough about the inner workings of EK to know. What is clearly around the corner though is China offering reverse rosters/bases or some new way of offering lucrative deals to aussies whilst allowing them to still live at home.
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Well, as I said, Ryanair and CityJet are in the EU, whcih is sort of a special case as they've managed to blur the distinction of "country" pretty extensively. Are all Cathay flight crew employees of Cathay? I haven't paid a lot of attention, but as I recall when i had some acquaintances who were interviewing "with Cathay" they were actually interviewing with some US company. I was never completely clear of the exact relationship but was under the impression that the crews were actually contract crews ... much as my buddy who used to be a whale FE "for JAL" was actually employed by some company other than Japan Airlines.
https://www.iasco.com/
I seem to remember they had a long relationship with JAL ? Or did in the past.