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Old 15th Jan 2018, 07:40
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho View Post
If my years as a Link Pilot counted towards my Jet Seniority I never would of left to fly Jets externally and would be 6 years higher up the list. Since that wasn't the case, I had no reservations about leaving the group.
You're probably better off than you may have been if you were stayed at the Air NZ Link, seniority or no seniority at the Air NZ jet fleet.

While group seniority is a great idea in theory, unless there is a commitment to hire from the Air NZ Link group by the Air NZ jet fleet then the group seniority will be a handcuff with no benefits. I know of quite a few guys who jumped ahead by leaving the Links to go to an outside jet job and very soon after got a Air NZ jet job ahead of guys that had stayed at the links.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 08:59
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Originally Posted by decoder View Post
On another note, I see pilot applications for Virgin have closed (unless you want to fokker it in WA). Have they got a full deck of cards again or are they trying to manage the people they have in the system before they continue?
I'd be interested to know their numbers at the moment too. A little birdy told me external 737 AUS recruiting has stopped for the time being (unsure whether this is true or not). Can anyone shed some light on the time frame from ref checks to receiving a call for the hold file or a course date?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 09:51
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Originally Posted by 27/09 View Post
You're probably better off than you may have been if you were stayed at the Air NZ Link, seniority or no seniority at the Air NZ jet fleet.

While group seniority is a great idea in theory, unless there is a commitment to hire from the Air NZ Link group by the Air NZ jet fleet then the group seniority will be a handcuff with no benefits. I know of quite a few guys who jumped ahead by leaving the Links to go to an outside jet job and very soon after got a Air NZ jet job ahead of guys that had stayed at the links.
In the short term, I agree 100%. It's been a real talking point in recent years with Externals being hired over Link Pilots... many of whom are ex Link Pilots themselves.

However, if my Seniority number on the Jet Fleet reflected my Link join date, I'd be an A320 Captain rather than an FO and I'd probably see a Widebody Command in my late 40's/early 50's. That's the difference between getting a number at 25 early 30's. An extra 6 years in the LHS of a Widebody is a fair chuck of cash.

Honestly, I see the Pro's and Con's of a Joint List. For those joining at the bottom, it's a long wait to get in a Jet while the company tightens the noose. But in 20-30 years time, perhaps it'll pay off? With only a small Widebody Fleet at Virgin, a lot of Pilots will never see the LHS of one.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 11:41
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are folks generally being advised if they are on hold?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 15:29
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Originally Posted by "Littlebird" View Post
ElZilcho - I admire your optimism. So it seems seniority works OK unless you're on the ATR where it doesn't.
Let's examine the wide body command scenario if you're on the props.
1. 5-7 years on the ATR
2. 10 + yrs 737 FO
3. 5 + yrs 737 CAPT

That's 20 years as a minimum before you're a skipper on the 330 or 777. Then you've got the earlier retirement age due to the role. Also remember that VAA has only around 10 widebody aircraft in total.
All the best.
L.B
What’s the pay difference between a 737 FO and an ATR CA?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 21:02
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Originally Posted by unknownpilot View Post
Can you give some examples as to who these majors you speak of?
Qatar, Singapore, Lufthansa with Norwegian leading the charge at the moment. Still early days but very keen to have this sorted asap. 2018 is going to be an interesting year.

Significant prop command might be OK, SO not really and jet time above 40T best.

All the best...I Hope this helps.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 21:11
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From what I’ve seen of the 2015 domestic EBA, the base salaries are not that dissimilar for a level one 737 F/O and 1st year ATR Capt.

Not sure of the criteria to move up the levels on the jet, but a level 3 F/O on the 737 appears to have a base about 30% greater than an ATR captain of comparable years of service. Then there’s overtime and allowances.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 02:12
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Hey Gmac115,

I had an interview/sim with them in October (F100) and was emailed back 2 weeks later without an offer and my references were not contacted. One other applicant I kept in contact with (Kingerair 350 Instructor with CAE) had his references checked with a further Skype interview with management - I think he might have made it through.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 19:36
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Hi guys/girls, does anyone have any recent information or advice regarding the assessment?
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 10:55
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Everyone I've heard is you get the phone call for a start date, no telling if you're on the hold. The old no news is good news it seems. Seems some people get a phone call after a few days, some months upon months...
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 06:22
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They should send you and an email stating you are on the hold file pending reference checks.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 01:43
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If the EBA that is being voted on now gets up - and it looks like it will - a new hire onto the 737 will be on a base of $125,347 increasing to $128,167 in July this year. After one year of service (and assuming another click over to July next year and so on), $139,819 and $155,637 respectively. You increase to the next level after one year of service.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 04:35
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Do those figures include Super? I noticed the previous Long Haul EBA included super in the remuneration numbers but the new EBA does not.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 04:42
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On a separate note, any SYD based 73 FOs able to shed some light on typical roster (PM if you prefer). Trying to get an idea on how far out of Sydney one could live and still manage the drive times. Yes, I know a "typical roster" probably doesn't exist; just looking for indicative trip lengths, standby days and RDOs in a row between trips.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 05:04
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Quoted figures do NOT include super.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 05:06
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Rosters are completely random so no point in giving you an indicative roster. You can bid for trips or day trips, but are never guaranteed. Pilots living as far as Bowral and Central Coast seem to make it work.

Considering this is a recruitment thread, would you be in line for a 737 f/o gig off the street?
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 09:57
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Completely random is a good enough answer.....it at least lets me know that there is no common or "normal" pattern from which to work, hence live further away at your own risk. I suppose you can make it work from anywhere depending on your circumstances. As for whether I'd be in the running for a 737 f/o job off the street - I don't know. I hope so but make no assumptions. Either way, I'd just like to be armed with as much information as I can to make an informed decision if I'm fortunate enough to have the opportunity.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 11:28
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Originally Posted by turbantime View Post

Considering this is a recruitment thread, would you be in line for a 737 f/o gig off the street?
Yes. I know of a few people who have received 737F/O upon offer of employment.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 18:12
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Plenty of people are now receiving MEL/SYD/PER 737 FO offers
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 22:38
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Getting a 737 gig off the street is great for those lucky enough to get it.

We bid for certain lifestyle parameters such as block of days off, trips etc but they are never guaranteed, heck your bids are sometimes completely ignored by the system. Only thing guaranteed is the min DDO’s which alternate between 11 and 12 per 28 day roster cycle. The new eba being voted on will provide some very good protections around these DDO’s.

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