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Old 14th Jan 2018, 20:17
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ATR.

You know that worst case scenario you still have career progression but you probably won't need it because QF or Jetstar will snap you up first.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Inboundd View Post
Qantaslink Dash 8 or Virgin ATR?

If one were to have both offers, what's the best option?
If you want to get into Virgin later on then go for Qlink Dash 8. If you want to fly for Qantas Mainline or any other of their jet subsidiaries then go for the ATR gig, such is the nature of the game. Unfortunately, due to not wanting to affect staffing levels at the regional parts of their own business, they are prepared to say goodbye to pilots that leave to go to other operators rather than promote from within and treat their staff with respect.

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Old 15th Jan 2018, 02:17
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Originally Posted by jetlikespeeds View Post
If you want to get into Virgin later on then go for Qlink Dash 8. If you want to fly for Qantas Mainline or any other of their jet subsidiaries then go for the ATR gig, such is the nature of the game. Unfortunately, due to not wanting to affect staffing levels at the regional parts of their own business, they are prepared to say goodbye to pilots that leave to go to other operators rather than promote from within and treat their staff with respect.

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And there lies the problem folks. For every five pilots that are not retained and manage to leave Qlink or VAA ATR, a couple would be lost forever to overseas operators. Not everyone can return to Aus at a later date due to various circumstances otherwise everybody including myself would do or would have. If the airlines can't see the impedending wreck just over the horizon then gods speed to them.
With the US being so short as well, some airlines that actually forward plan are contempleting taking just about every applicant they can with an ATPL, 3000 hrs, English level 6 and most important the personality and attitude to be trained. Of course this means a significant investment from the employer but what's the alternative going to be moving forward?
In addition some major airlines are investigating options to do something they said they would never do. Yes open new bases all over the world including Aus. You lucky buggers! I wish I was a tad younger. L.B
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 02:58
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Interesting point L.B. Whilst the boys and girls at EK will tell you the chances of them opening bases overseas are none and Buckley’s and with good reason, perhaps the hand will be forced in time. Just think of the spin. “Global basing options for a truly global airline.”
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 03:32
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I'm not sure how the Seniority list works at Virgin, however one thing to consider is the long term.

Yes, sitting at VARA for 7+ years while new hires go onto the Jets might be a hard pill to swallow... but down the line, once you've finally escaped the Turbo-Props and secured a Jet Job, wouldn't an extra 7 years Seniority ensure a Widebody command that much quicker?

Just an outside observation. The reason Air NZ Link lose so many Pilots externally is because their seniority lists are entirely separate from the Jet Fleets so Pilots lose nothing by leaving. Would be a very different story if we had a group seniority list.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 04:59
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho View Post
I'm not sure how the Seniority list works at Virgin, however one thing to consider is the long term.

Yes, sitting at VARA for 7+ years while new hires go onto the Jets might be a hard pill to swallow... but down the line, once you've finally escaped the Turbo-Props and secured a Jet Job, wouldn't an extra 7 years Seniority ensure a Widebody command that much quicker?

Just an outside observation. The reason Air NZ Link lose so many Pilots externally is because their seniority lists are entirely separate from the Jet Fleets so Pilots lose nothing by leaving. Would be a very different story if we had a group seniority list.
ElZilcho - I admire your optimism. So it seems seniority works OK unless you're on the ATR where it doesn't.
Let's examine the wide body command scenario if you're on the props.
1. 5-7 years on the ATR
2. 10 + yrs 737 FO
3. 5 + yrs 737 CAPT

That's 20 years as a minimum before you're a skipper on the 330 or 777. Then you've got the earlier retirement age due to the role. Also remember that VAA has only around 10 widebody aircraft in total.
All the best.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 05:59
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Originally Posted by "Littlebird" View Post
In addition some major airlines are investigating options to do something they said they would never do. Yes open new bases all over the world including Aus. You lucky buggers! I wish I was a tad younger. L.B
Can you give some examples as to who these majors you speak of?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 06:47
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Originally Posted by "Littlebird" View Post
ElZilcho - I admire your optimism. So it seems seniority works OK unless you're on the ATR where it doesn't.
Let's examine the wide body command scenario if you're on the props.
1. 5-7 years on the ATR
2. 10 + yrs 737 FO
3. 5 + yrs 737 CAPT

That's 20 years as a minimum before you're a skipper on the 330 or 777. Then you've got the earlier retirement age due to the role. Also remember that VAA has only around 10 widebody aircraft in total.
All the best.
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Oh yea, there's no doubt it's a long wait to the LHS of a Jet, but my question was more to do with promotion based on seniority.

In the above scenario, compare 2 Pilots starting on the 737. Pilot A was on the ATR for 5-7 years while Pilot B was an external hire. Does Pilot A have a Seniority number 5-7 years ahead of Pilot B due to their time in VARA, or do they both get similar numbers when joining the Jets?

Honest question as I have no clue how Seniority works at Virgin. If my years as a Link Pilot counted towards my Jet Seniority I never would of left to fly Jets externally and would be 6 years higher up the list. Since that wasn't the case, I had no reservations about leaving the group.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 07:40
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho View Post
If my years as a Link Pilot counted towards my Jet Seniority I never would of left to fly Jets externally and would be 6 years higher up the list. Since that wasn't the case, I had no reservations about leaving the group.
You're probably better off than you may have been if you were stayed at the Air NZ Link, seniority or no seniority at the Air NZ jet fleet.

While group seniority is a great idea in theory, unless there is a commitment to hire from the Air NZ Link group by the Air NZ jet fleet then the group seniority will be a handcuff with no benefits. I know of quite a few guys who jumped ahead by leaving the Links to go to an outside jet job and very soon after got a Air NZ jet job ahead of guys that had stayed at the links.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 08:59
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On another note, I see pilot applications for Virgin have closed (unless you want to fokker it in WA). Have they got a full deck of cards again or are they trying to manage the people they have in the system before they continue?
I'd be interested to know their numbers at the moment too. A little birdy told me external 737 AUS recruiting has stopped for the time being (unsure whether this is true or not). Can anyone shed some light on the time frame from ref checks to receiving a call for the hold file or a course date?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 09:51
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Originally Posted by 27/09 View Post
You're probably better off than you may have been if you were stayed at the Air NZ Link, seniority or no seniority at the Air NZ jet fleet.

While group seniority is a great idea in theory, unless there is a commitment to hire from the Air NZ Link group by the Air NZ jet fleet then the group seniority will be a handcuff with no benefits. I know of quite a few guys who jumped ahead by leaving the Links to go to an outside jet job and very soon after got a Air NZ jet job ahead of guys that had stayed at the links.
In the short term, I agree 100%. It's been a real talking point in recent years with Externals being hired over Link Pilots... many of whom are ex Link Pilots themselves.

However, if my Seniority number on the Jet Fleet reflected my Link join date, I'd be an A320 Captain rather than an FO and I'd probably see a Widebody Command in my late 40's/early 50's. That's the difference between getting a number at 25 early 30's. An extra 6 years in the LHS of a Widebody is a fair chuck of cash.

Honestly, I see the Pro's and Con's of a Joint List. For those joining at the bottom, it's a long wait to get in a Jet while the company tightens the noose. But in 20-30 years time, perhaps it'll pay off? With only a small Widebody Fleet at Virgin, a lot of Pilots will never see the LHS of one.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 11:41
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are folks generally being advised if they are on hold?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 15:29
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Originally Posted by "Littlebird" View Post
ElZilcho - I admire your optimism. So it seems seniority works OK unless you're on the ATR where it doesn't.
Let's examine the wide body command scenario if you're on the props.
1. 5-7 years on the ATR
2. 10 + yrs 737 FO
3. 5 + yrs 737 CAPT

That's 20 years as a minimum before you're a skipper on the 330 or 777. Then you've got the earlier retirement age due to the role. Also remember that VAA has only around 10 widebody aircraft in total.
All the best.
L.B
Whatís the pay difference between a 737 FO and an ATR CA?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 21:02
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Can you give some examples as to who these majors you speak of?
Qatar, Singapore, Lufthansa with Norwegian leading the charge at the moment. Still early days but very keen to have this sorted asap. 2018 is going to be an interesting year.

Significant prop command might be OK, SO not really and jet time above 40T best.

All the best...I Hope this helps.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 21:11
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From what Iíve seen of the 2015 domestic EBA, the base salaries are not that dissimilar for a level one 737 F/O and 1st year ATR Capt.

Not sure of the criteria to move up the levels on the jet, but a level 3 F/O on the 737 appears to have a base about 30% greater than an ATR captain of comparable years of service. Then thereís overtime and allowances.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 02:12
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Hey Gmac115,

I had an interview/sim with them in October (F100) and was emailed back 2 weeks later without an offer and my references were not contacted. One other applicant I kept in contact with (Kingerair 350 Instructor with CAE) had his references checked with a further Skype interview with management - I think he might have made it through.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 19:36
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Hi guys/girls, does anyone have any recent information or advice regarding the assessment?
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Gligg View Post
are folks generally being advised if they are on hold?
I am also interested in this. Are you actually advised you are in the holding pool or do you progress through all the stages of the recruitment process and then wait for a hopeful phone call sometime? Cheers
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 10:55
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Everyone I've heard is you get the phone call for a start date, no telling if you're on the hold. The old no news is good news it seems. Seems some people get a phone call after a few days, some months upon months...
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 06:22
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They should send you and an email stating you are on the hold file pending reference checks.
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