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Originally Posted by Chadzat
Yes and it was necessary to get integration in the first place - long story. As always in airlines - people never read the EBA until a clause applies to them and then there is mass outrage over something that has been there all along.
Couldn't agree more.
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Originally Posted by Chadzat
Yes and it was necessary to get integration in the first place - long story. As always in airlines - people never read the EBA until a clause applies to them and then there is mass outrage over something that has been there all along.
Hi SHVC,
I've gotta say that what "Littlebird" posted seems about exactly on the money to me. Not way off the mark at all. Except the part about 2 years - it was more like 18 months as I recall (April 2016).
The VARA EBA applies because it was in place, when the employer transfer was c/o. It does not mean the employer is VARA, just because VARA T&Cs are in place. Governance is most certainly VAA for the ATR operation, but it remains a "hybrid" in some systems and admin processes.
I've gotta say that what "Littlebird" posted seems about exactly on the money to me. Not way off the mark at all. Except the part about 2 years - it was more like 18 months as I recall (April 2016).
The VARA EBA applies because it was in place, when the employer transfer was c/o. It does not mean the employer is VARA, just because VARA T&Cs are in place. Governance is most certainly VAA for the ATR operation, but it remains a "hybrid" in some systems and admin processes.
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Hi
I'm interested in a 737 Perth based position with VA. How bad is the roster? Is there a lot of time away from home? Can I bid to do short trips or day trips? I have little kids so trying to figure out what's best.
I'm interested in a 737 Perth based position with VA. How bad is the roster? Is there a lot of time away from home? Can I bid to do short trips or day trips? I have little kids so trying to figure out what's best.
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Originally Posted by Whirlybird123
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I'm interested in a 737 Perth based position with VA. How bad is the roster? Is there a lot of time away from home? Can I bid to do short trips or day trips? I have little kids so trying to figure out what's best.
I'm interested in a 737 Perth based position with VA. How bad is the roster? Is there a lot of time away from home? Can I bid to do short trips or day trips? I have little kids so trying to figure out what's best.
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SHVC you are wrong. Wrong in such a way that to use the term 'we' makes it obvious that you are in fact a troll. Skywest brought in the ATR, was bought by VA and then Skywest became VARA. The whole ATR operation was then transferred to VA. There are no VARA pilots on the ATR, only VA pilots. The way they are currently being treated whilst legal under the EBA is in essence unethical.
All of what littlebird said is in fact correct. It's all okay though as management "value our ATR pilots."
All of what littlebird said is in fact correct. It's all okay though as management "value our ATR pilots."
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Does anyone know the current time to command for NZ based 73 drivers? And now that Australian pilots are able to bid for NZ commands, what the "feeling" is like with those Aussie based pilots. (As in would many consider a move across the ditch to NZ for a command)
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Plenty of criticism here of how it is being done. How would you do it?
Surely if you have been on the ATR for five years you would be captain - maybe odd exception. Is there anything wrong with that. Bit hard to operate them without captains. To me, sounds better than rhs 737 or back seat 777.
Correct me if I am wrong, wouldn't a five year better seniority number guarantee you lhs in the jet well before a newbie?
Surely if you have been on the ATR for five years you would be captain - maybe odd exception. Is there anything wrong with that. Bit hard to operate them without captains. To me, sounds better than rhs 737 or back seat 777.
Correct me if I am wrong, wouldn't a five year better seniority number guarantee you lhs in the jet well before a newbie?
Originally Posted by bolthead
Correct me if I am wrong, wouldn't a five year better seniority number guarantee you lhs in the jet well before a newbie?
No, and thats the issue. Some guys that have been in there for the long haul on the ATR are getting bypassed as they can't afford to take them off the ATR. That's my understanding anyway.
Heard there are also some unhappy campers who were told AU bases were not available and got shipped off to NZ only to see new hires get 737 PER.
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Nobody gets "shipped off" to anywhere.
Candidates are asked to indicate their preferred bases and not to say they will go somewhere if that somewhere is a place they really don't want to be.
People have indicated they don't want to go to NZ and would prefer to wait for an Oz base, understanding that choice may delay their entry into the airline as Oz bases don't come around all that often.
Others have indicated they will go anywhere just to get a foot in the door.
Freezes on transfers are made very very clear.
Once again, as has already been suggested, make sure you have considered and understand the full implications of accepting a position here if your initial basing is not in your preferred location.
bolthead, all newbies will have a lower group date of joining number than the ATR pilots and as such, will have to wait longer for their shot at command. I joined in 2011 and a command is still a very long time away, so that might put in perspective the time frames new hires, and even current ATR pilots could expect.
Candidates are asked to indicate their preferred bases and not to say they will go somewhere if that somewhere is a place they really don't want to be.
People have indicated they don't want to go to NZ and would prefer to wait for an Oz base, understanding that choice may delay their entry into the airline as Oz bases don't come around all that often.
Others have indicated they will go anywhere just to get a foot in the door.
Freezes on transfers are made very very clear.
Once again, as has already been suggested, make sure you have considered and understand the full implications of accepting a position here if your initial basing is not in your preferred location.
bolthead, all newbies will have a lower group date of joining number than the ATR pilots and as such, will have to wait longer for their shot at command. I joined in 2011 and a command is still a very long time away, so that might put in perspective the time frames new hires, and even current ATR pilots could expect.
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Hi could anyone that works at Virgin currently tell me how conditions and general well being of employees is. An honest appraisal would be good. How many hours are you flying in a 28 day roster, are people easily going over the 71hrs and earning overtime, are rosters changing constantly, do you enjoy the job? Pm if required.
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
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Originally Posted by anonfly
Hi could anyone that works at Virgin currently tell me how conditions and general well being of employees is. An honest appraisal would be good. How many hours are you flying in a 28 day roster, are people easily going over the 71hrs and earning overtime, are rosters changing constantly, do you enjoy the job? Pm if required.
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
Roster are anywhere from 75-85 hours at the moment.
You can bid for 1,2,3,4 day trips.
Most overnights are min rest, after already doing 10+ hours duty in a day just to back it up and do it again.
Day 1 of a trip is normally an early sign on. Anywhere from 5am to 7am. Last day you finish late. Get home to have the phone ring the next day and ask you to come in and do a draft on a day off. I never draft simply because I'm at work too much and want time at home with the family.
With no draft my group certificate was $170K. Working hard for it. Constant fatigue.
The CAST committee does three fiths of nothing in trying to identify fatiguing trips and rectifying it.
You can put fatigue reports in until you're blue in the face, nothing changes.
No respect shown from any department. No business class duty travel. Stuck down the back with the freals elbowing you as they board.
I could go on but I won't. I'm sure someone else will pick up where I left off.
As I've stated previously, it's a flying job only, which pays semi alright but you're working hard for it. Better options out there.
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Originally Posted by Oakape
NZ is a whole different operation & not the same in detail as the post above
1- Less Money
2- Less Days Off
3- Longer trips (up to 6 days away)
However the flying is really good and not as fatiguing as domestic. Maximum 1 maybe 2 sectors a day. One could argue that it's inefficient utilisation of crew in NZ however it's all based around the company schedule. My mates who are based in NZ enjoy it and they seem a much happier camp.
Just need to weigh up the pros and cons and do what's best for you.
really quattros?! If you can’t take 1min or be bothered to search for the EBA that is easily available on the net, then how would you ever pass the process. Seriously some ppl need to do some of their own finger pressing and look for the info.
