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You left out 'customer focus' amateur. I've a few other thoughts on the capabilities being assessed but I've already provided feedback on those and I'll let the internal processes run their course on that feedback for the time being.
As far as I know the internals are getting feedback as to how they scored in whatever elements they were assessed in. If they did the interview I think they get feedback on that as well as their initial psychometric stuff. I'm not sure of how in depth it is.
That some are captains in their respective regional, flying in the same uniform as mainline captains, in aircraft with the same livery except for the addition of the word 'link' down the side (or sometimes nothing extra in the case of Jetconnect, whom I understand are now permitted to operate VH registered aircraft) and can be deemed ineligible for a S/O role is a point not lost on the pilots within the recruitment process. I suspect the point is lost on many others though.
Who cares, can I ask how you're sure you got to exec review? As far as I'm aware it's a de-identified process so those execs involved in the process don't know the names of who they're reviewing. My understanding was all they saw was scores and comments about the candidate. Feel free to PM if you like. Either way, I'm not sure if the group comprehends that like you, many of those the process has deemed unsuitable won't be around to reapply in 12 months. Good luck either way.
As far as I know the internals are getting feedback as to how they scored in whatever elements they were assessed in. If they did the interview I think they get feedback on that as well as their initial psychometric stuff. I'm not sure of how in depth it is.
That some are captains in their respective regional, flying in the same uniform as mainline captains, in aircraft with the same livery except for the addition of the word 'link' down the side (or sometimes nothing extra in the case of Jetconnect, whom I understand are now permitted to operate VH registered aircraft) and can be deemed ineligible for a S/O role is a point not lost on the pilots within the recruitment process. I suspect the point is lost on many others though.
Who cares, can I ask how you're sure you got to exec review? As far as I'm aware it's a de-identified process so those execs involved in the process don't know the names of who they're reviewing. My understanding was all they saw was scores and comments about the candidate. Feel free to PM if you like. Either way, I'm not sure if the group comprehends that like you, many of those the process has deemed unsuitable won't be around to reapply in 12 months. Good luck either way.
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As much as I was criticised by many, the reality is that HR dominates the recruitment process. Those of us who have worked for airlines in the operational side know that there is a chasm been operational and corporate BS. What is being witnessed at QF is HR dominance of process. The process won't improve, it is captured.
There are other airlines! Qantas long ago ceased to be a premier carrier, its withdrawal from international routes and an exponential growth of the very opaque JQ model, is, despite their narrative, very poorly performing. The good news for those pilots who have witnessed the 'recruitment' process with mainline first hand, you are not alone. Qantas is merely a huge bureaucracy, with a small airline attached who destroyed itself fighting internal wars. A student of the corporation knows that no nothing management, usually abandons proven business models divesting away from core competency. Growing back office overhead is a sure sign a company has lost its way.
Demographics enforces the notion that pilots are a strategic asset, QF are yet to learn this, their HR/IR model is is control presently. Those airlines who are focused on the core, which has always been the flying operations, recognise that attracting a high calibre pilot is a vital cornerstone of their strategic plan. Fortunately demographics will help those cast aside by QF recruiting practice, that there are plenty of viable options.
Adversarial industrial relation models and high back office overhead, the likes of which QF focus on, will not serve them well attracting 'talent'. Quite often now the only advantage QF has left is Australian residence. Foreign airlines, as demographics really bite them will provide commutable options for Australian pilots.
Qantas focused its whole attention on JQ, losing a decade on a business model that relies on high volume to make anything. It's architecture was IR, to undermine arbitrated outcomes.
Whilst it may appear cold comfort now to those struggling with the dreaded email, Qantas is anything other than 'transformed' there are plenty of other options that do not mean sub standard conditions aggressive management and a stalled career path that many pilots at Qantas suffered. Cast a wider net it will provide lots of good options.
https://aircargoeye.com/why-airlines...-their-pilots/
Long after little Alan and Clifford, along with Oldmeadow are taken to the woodshed, perhaps QF will catch up and realise people collectively are a business. That is still a way off. Best wishes to all
There are other airlines! Qantas long ago ceased to be a premier carrier, its withdrawal from international routes and an exponential growth of the very opaque JQ model, is, despite their narrative, very poorly performing. The good news for those pilots who have witnessed the 'recruitment' process with mainline first hand, you are not alone. Qantas is merely a huge bureaucracy, with a small airline attached who destroyed itself fighting internal wars. A student of the corporation knows that no nothing management, usually abandons proven business models divesting away from core competency. Growing back office overhead is a sure sign a company has lost its way.
Demographics enforces the notion that pilots are a strategic asset, QF are yet to learn this, their HR/IR model is is control presently. Those airlines who are focused on the core, which has always been the flying operations, recognise that attracting a high calibre pilot is a vital cornerstone of their strategic plan. Fortunately demographics will help those cast aside by QF recruiting practice, that there are plenty of viable options.
Adversarial industrial relation models and high back office overhead, the likes of which QF focus on, will not serve them well attracting 'talent'. Quite often now the only advantage QF has left is Australian residence. Foreign airlines, as demographics really bite them will provide commutable options for Australian pilots.
Qantas focused its whole attention on JQ, losing a decade on a business model that relies on high volume to make anything. It's architecture was IR, to undermine arbitrated outcomes.
Whilst it may appear cold comfort now to those struggling with the dreaded email, Qantas is anything other than 'transformed' there are plenty of other options that do not mean sub standard conditions aggressive management and a stalled career path that many pilots at Qantas suffered. Cast a wider net it will provide lots of good options.
https://aircargoeye.com/why-airlines...-their-pilots/
Long after little Alan and Clifford, along with Oldmeadow are taken to the woodshed, perhaps QF will catch up and realise people collectively are a business. That is still a way off. Best wishes to all
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(or sometimes nothing extra in the case of Jetconnect, whom I understand are now permitted to operate VH registered aircraft)
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So, because someone was rumoured to have scored highly in an RAAF test does that automatically mean that they fit the profile that Qantas is looking for? That example is a bit of a stretch, other candidates obviously fit the profile better, it is Qantas' train set so I guess they can afford to be picky based on whatever criteria they choose to set.
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That won't help CASA allows it to happen
The intent of JC was always a 'sham' as Lea Drake correctly asserted, but it is clear that is exactly what Qantas intended and the IR management would dearly love a 'trans tasman' free movement of labour arbitrage model. What do you think they really were trying to do in setting up 'sham' franchises in Asia: Arbitraging Australian jobs is a national past time in the globalised world.
Got the Thanks but no thanks email a week ago......that means it took HR 5 months to decide that my pyschometric scores "did not meet the benchmark required for the Pilot Program". Ok fair enough, I didn't score high enough to progress to the next stage......But 5 months to figure that out? Oh and yes I'm also one of those pilots that walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and even dresses like a duck.......but apparently not quite duckish enough to be considered.
Although maybe that above theory has merit?? Why would Qantas allow Captains from its other group companies to leave when ultimately it may have to foot the bill for their replacement?
I've also heard of some shocking blunders by HR informing people that they got all the way through selection and were only awaiting a start date......only to get the unsuccessful email a week later.
Dog gone it!
Although maybe that above theory has merit?? Why would Qantas allow Captains from its other group companies to leave when ultimately it may have to foot the bill for their replacement?
I've also heard of some shocking blunders by HR informing people that they got all the way through selection and were only awaiting a start date......only to get the unsuccessful email a week later.
Dog gone it!
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Dogman, can you actually confirm this? Or are you most likely referring to candidates I've heard of who were successful with their Second Officer application, but then got an email either before or afterwards saying they were unsuccessful with the 'GROUP PILOT' application (the one which opened a few weeks after the S/O apps opened) which most people applied to. When it was switched off it seems after a successful S/O application, it caused it to generate a 'you've been unsuccessuful' email to be sent out a few have said.
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It was an FSO regarding training allocations for the year ahead. It included 787 positions based in Perth. Might not be wise to say no when asked if you would go to Perth for the job. Good luck to all.
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I dunno... Perth is a long way from my present location of Rottnest Island. About 17 NM I think
Word on the street is up to 150 s/o's based over there in the future.
The base is initially set to be 20 Capt and 20 F/O's so presumably ~40 S/O's.
If PER-LHR proves to be a hit then that may well increase but I believe they have other plans in store for the next couple of jets. So there will still be plenty of 787 S/O's hired to the east coast over the next 2 years.
Next routes are likely to be Perth Paris and Perth Frankfurt, hence the Perth basing. Next orders to be announced with the annual result in late August, Evans made mention that minimum fleet size for efficiency is 30. Aircraft 7 and 8 are to be delivered earlier if possible but to do so,will entail 5 and 6 been slightly delayed.
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