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Old 31st Mar 2017, 07:42
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I did hear one line of thought that all RIN costs were put down under the 'transformation' bucket of money. Therefore not a direct cost to Flight Ops. That would at least explain some of the RIN lunacy. I can list 3 A330 Captains and 1 737 Captain straight up who had less than a dozen landings post training as F/Os on the A380 after being RIN'd off the 767- less than 6 months. I can think of another two who would have had only a year on the A380 as F/Os before retraining on the A330.

Such a waste.
Those now A330 Captains were also very fortunate that the A380 FO RIN process enabled them to get A330 Commands out of seniority. The lottery doesn't end at day 1!
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 10:10
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I did hear one line of thought that all RIN costs were put down under the 'transformation' bucket of money. Therefore not a direct cost to Flight Ops.
Dear God in Heaven. For any of you that don't get into QF, I could not paint a more accurate picture of the world you dodged a bullet on than that. Greasy pole climbing in the face of any reality you might care to imagine.

For those that make it, the best of luck - I do sincerely hope you enjoy it. What 'they' want is the blind obedience that is the cornerstone of every financial and empire disaster that has befallen those far greater than Joycie boy. And incidentally, the antithesis of any 'sound' flight deck operation.
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 11:15
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I did hear one line of thought that all RIN costs were put down under the 'transformation' bucket of money. Therefore not a direct cost to Flight Ops.
That would explain FltOps management's cavalier attitude towards the whole thing. The net cost effect is unchanged (in the millions if not tens of millions) but their KPIs were safe. Where's that engagement survey? I stand by my initial assessment. Welcome aboard the ship of fools me hearties.
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 13:14
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Dear God in Heaven. For any of you that don't get into QF, I could not paint a more accurate picture of the world you dodged a bullet on than that. Greasy pole climbing in the face of any reality you might care to imagine.
Just trying to work out if I've misinterpreted something here? Are you suggesting I think this was justifiable, logical or sensible; or were you commenting more generically on some of the strange calls that Qantas makes when they're accounting money to suit their purposes?

The the, yes. Like JA jagging an A380 command slot at a time when he may not have been otherwise able to, the various RINs brought up a number of unpredictable outcomes. As far as I could tell there were two 737 Captains affected by that particular A380 F/O RIN. They checked to line 5-7 months behind me. Those A330 command slots also prevented a further 4 A380 F/Os from being forcibly moved to the A330 as F/Os so as is usual with RINs, some people win pretty big, some win a little, some don't win at all.

Directanywhere, agreed.
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Old 2nd Apr 2017, 12:13
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So, just for a bit of a laugh I applied to q-link for the FO position.

Did their testing, seemed harder than mainline but some questions were the same.

Got an invite for interview.
The quantity and quality of applicants for mainline are invariably going to be higher than Link so the bar will be set higher for psych results.
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 04:49
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So, just for a bit of a laugh I applied to q-link for the FO position.
You applied as a joke?
Am I missing something?
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 09:12
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Originally Posted by hestonfysh
Wouldn't it be a real laugh if you took time off work, spent money on prep, flights and accommodation and then you got a no because you are too arrogant? You could report back and we could all have a good chuckle.
#nailedit 😂
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 21:59
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Originally Posted by Keg
Just trying to work out if I've misinterpreted something here? Are you suggesting I think this was justifiable, logical or sensible; or were you commenting more generically on some of the strange calls that Qantas makes when they're accounting money to suit their purposes?

No - I didn't think you thought it was justifiable, logical or sensible (only someone profiting from it personally would think that!). I was pointing out that this type of lunacy is merely the tip of the iceberg. Their bizarre accounting techniques create bonuses but are a window onto a far greater malaise. They don't think they are running an airline, they certainly don't care about the brand or the aircraft - those in charge are interested in two primary goals, maintaining their jobs and increasing their power/wealth. Nothing else matters.
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 22:19
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Their bizarre accounting techniques create bonuses but are a window onto a far greater malaise

A quick look at their narrative exposes that, the industrial campaign of 'terminal decline' in 2011 was quietly matched with a whole bunch of share options for insiders...

When the fleet write down (all permissible under AASB- at management discretion) ensured that the on paper loss would be massive, most myopic financially illiterate unions fell for it leaving their members pay frozen. Then options amazingly vested....

With the remaining pilots subject to BS with uniform/dress standards that strangely don't apply when the HR wanders aimlessly, hoping for relevance, is it any wonder the recruiting process is sub optimal? It is a battle for relevance.
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 03:25
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Wondering on peoples thoughts and apologies in advanced if someone in the same position as myself has already posted. Currently in the application process at present for SO position where my assessment day and sim check are complete.

I was then emailed asking for medical and reference checks to be done and the medical is close to being completed and reference checks are done. The only thing left to do (I think) is I require some vaccination boosters to complete the medical and a psych check.

Being located remotely I have spent god knows how much money going back and forth..more so time spent away from work which I will have to do again (definitely not the bosses favourite at the moment). I hate asking dumb questions but would I be more on the last legs of the application process and are signs pointing to a yes making it this far? Anyone made it this far and gotten a no? Guess my thought process is to give the boss as much of an update as possible.
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 06:02
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Originally Posted by Keg
I can list 3 A330 Captains and 1 737 Captain straight up who had less than a dozen landings post training as F/Os on the A380 after being RIN'd off the 767- less than 6 months.
A dozen FO landings in six months...pretty normal.
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Originally Posted by xaos03
Wondering on peoples thoughts and apologies in advanced if someone in the same position as myself has already posted. Currently in the application process at present for SO position where my assessment day and sim check are complete.

I was then emailed asking for medical and reference checks to be done and the medical is close to being completed and reference checks are done. The only thing left to do (I think) is I require some vaccination boosters to complete the medical and a psych check.

Being located remotely I have spent god knows how much money going back and forth..more so time spent away from work which I will have to do again (definitely not the bosses favourite at the moment). I hate asking dumb questions but would I be more on the last legs of the application process and are signs pointing to a yes making it this far? Anyone made it this far and gotten a no? Guess my thought process is to give the boss as much of an update as possible.
Suggest you turn on private messaging.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 06:05
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Well I was an internal applicant. Progressed all the way to the executive review panel, I received the dreaded no email not long after the panel review. It will be interesting to get the feedback as to why I wasn't suitable for the position.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
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Well I was an internal applicant. Progressed all the way to the executive review panel, I received the dreaded no email not long after the panel review. It will be interesting to get the feedback as to why I wasn't suitable for the position.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
Will you get feedback?

Does anyone actually know what Recruiters are after? Heard a lot of stories of people progressing through all stages, giving good references and then getting a no, and these people were genuinely good, hard working guys and girls?

Why progress someone onto the sim and then cull them perhaps due to an earlier stage of testing?

Is there a limit on the amount they put on hold?
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 07:31
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I think HR are playing some sort of discriminating game behind the scenes and I have good reason as to why.

A lot of internal applicants didn't get in, which I know for a fact. This is puzzling as they are already doing the same job, just wearing different uniforms and in most cases working a lot harder than Qantas mainline pilots and on poorer conditions/EBA's.

The initial aptitude testing was unnecessarily difficult, and i believe the reason for that is if everyone does poorly, they (QF HR) can cherry-pick whoever the want and don't want just by saying 'Hey sorry you didn't pass the required standard' when in reality, no one would have passed some sort of a standard as it was so ridiculously hard!

The fact that a lot of airlines within the Qantas group are short on pilots, would suggest that it isn't in mainlines interest to be hiring across internally because it will cost them more with re-training the internal person and then hiring someone to fill that persons original spot and then initial training the near hiree, so 2 times training. While hiring externally just means one lot of training for the new person and the internal guys stay where they are. Win-win except for the internal employees (but who cares about the pilots eyy nothing new here).

I think there are grounds for discrimination, especially as I know actually one guy who got the highest air force testing score in the state a while ago and has since been flying RPT internally for the Qantas group for multiple years (ended up not going through military route) and this person was knocked back before the interview stage for not passing the set standard on the TalentIQ with Qantas?? I mean seriously it's complete rubbish, an absolute joke and my example proves it.

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Old 5th Apr 2017, 09:18
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Your mate is going to have to resign, get into another airline then see what happens with QF if he wants to test that theory.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 09:29
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Originally Posted by who_cares
Well I was an internal applicant. Progressed all the way to the executive review panel, I received the dreaded no email not long after the panel review. It will be interesting to get the feedback as to why I wasn't suitable for the position.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
I would be very suprised if you get any feedback.
The risk of lawsuits for discrimination is too great.
"You are not competitive at this time" seem to be the usual spiel, unchanged for over 30 years.
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The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
Well that sucks...sends a good message to anyone who takes a QF subsidiary, but ultimately has their eyes on the bigger prize.

Are there any external applicants still waiting for an update since completing the video etc?
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 10:26
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Hope you are well.

I am writing to provide you with an update on the Second Officer recruitment process you have been participating in. Unfortunately on this occasion we will not be progressing your application further. I appreciate this is very disappointing news, and we will be booking in a feedback discussion with you in the coming weeks to discuss further.

You will be eligible to reapply in 12 months’ time.

Thank you for taking the time to meet with us and your interest in Qantas Mainline.

That is the email I received, doesn't say it will be honest feedback I guess. One thing though I don't intend to be in the QANTAS group in 12 months time.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Flyboy1987
Will you get feedback?

Does anyone actually know what Recruiters are after? Heard a lot of stories of people progressing through all stages, giving good references and then getting a no, and these people were genuinely good, hard working guys and girls?

Why progress someone onto the sim and then cull them perhaps due to an earlier stage of testing?

Is there a limit on the amount they put on hold?
I don't think HR even know what they are looking for. Empathy and ego maturity seems to be the buzz words going around...
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