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Canel,
As someone who is overseas (and completed QF stage 1), I firmly believe that those in AU on turboprops or in GA deserve a shot at QF first. We all knew what we were doing when we left and that it was a one way trip. Taking overseas jobs on widebodys then using that to get back home is not how it works in oz and we all know it. Give the guys back home a chance.
Not a flame at your post but just saying.....
As someone who is overseas (and completed QF stage 1), I firmly believe that those in AU on turboprops or in GA deserve a shot at QF first. We all knew what we were doing when we left and that it was a one way trip. Taking overseas jobs on widebodys then using that to get back home is not how it works in oz and we all know it. Give the guys back home a chance.
Not a flame at your post but just saying.....
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What the leave early & go O/S vs GA debate demonstrates, is ultimately there is a certain price to be paid to make it to the top in aviation in Australia. It's really just a question of when the bill becomes due.
A widebody Capt will be coming back to be an S/O on a 787 / A330, or the RHS of a 737. If he played his card right there should be a fistfull of $$ to continue a certain lifestyle until he eventually gets back to a to higher income. But he knows he is unlikely to ever be a widebody Capt again. Current east coast is widebody LHS is 25 years just to be at the bottom of list just to work almost every weekend.
Same over at Jetstar, a few lucky ones were there at just the right time and got very quick commands by taking T&C that looked great for a young single bloke, now older & wiser with family commitments things aren't so rosy. There is no reasonable prospect of improvement, ever, so the only option is to go O/S or become a QF S/O.
Everyone seems to think they have a scam or plan to "get ahead", but in reality, managements understand this & exploit it to the hilt. We are all worse off for it.
There are no shortcuts in this game. Almost nobody has "got ahead", no matter what path they have chosen.
A widebody Capt will be coming back to be an S/O on a 787 / A330, or the RHS of a 737. If he played his card right there should be a fistfull of $$ to continue a certain lifestyle until he eventually gets back to a to higher income. But he knows he is unlikely to ever be a widebody Capt again. Current east coast is widebody LHS is 25 years just to be at the bottom of list just to work almost every weekend.
Same over at Jetstar, a few lucky ones were there at just the right time and got very quick commands by taking T&C that looked great for a young single bloke, now older & wiser with family commitments things aren't so rosy. There is no reasonable prospect of improvement, ever, so the only option is to go O/S or become a QF S/O.
Everyone seems to think they have a scam or plan to "get ahead", but in reality, managements understand this & exploit it to the hilt. We are all worse off for it.
There are no shortcuts in this game. Almost nobody has "got ahead", no matter what path they have chosen.
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It's worth noting that you don't actually need to be Australian to fly for Qantas.
No particular experience path should be favoured over any others, except that those previously assessed, followed by those already within the Group have been given the first opportunity.
No particular experience path should be favoured over any others, except that those previously assessed, followed by those already within the Group have been given the first opportunity.
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A) Most expats flying overseas have done their time in GA or the regionals in Aus so they should have no issues in returning if that's what they want.
B) I honestly don't think you will find a huge number of expats going for it, despite what is rumoured that everyone wants to work for QF. Flying overseas definitely opens your eyes to another world of aviation.
B) I honestly don't think you will find a huge number of expats going for it, despite what is rumoured that everyone wants to work for QF. Flying overseas definitely opens your eyes to another world of aviation.
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Well one may not need to be Australian, but they do require CASA licensing and right to work in Australia.
QF will continue to do what they do, hopefully recruiting a nice balance of crew.
Good luck folks
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Two courses in May- 4 weeks apart. I think they're 2 May and 30 May. 787 S/O courses were supposed to start in May but not sure if they'll be on both courses or most likely the just the later one.
Therefore June course is probably 27 June.
Therefore June course is probably 27 June.
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Look ladies! There's a pilot shortage!
Qantas looks to women to solve looming pilot shortage
If you want a job as a Qantas Pilot then come on down. It's yours for the taking!
PG
PS. The Spinmeisters in the QF PR Department said its true...so it must be.
Qantas looks to women to solve looming pilot shortage
If you want a job as a Qantas Pilot then come on down. It's yours for the taking!
PG
PS. The Spinmeisters in the QF PR Department said its true...so it must be.
From all accounts the QF interview process is culling a lot of, what I would have considered, highly suitable candidates.
From Airforce pilots, to turboprop captains, to Jet F/O'S.
Tough gig. Good luck to all who aspire to work for QF.
From Airforce pilots, to turboprop captains, to Jet F/O'S.
Tough gig. Good luck to all who aspire to work for QF.
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It hardly seems EQUAL if they are bumping women up the list just to make the statistics look better.
Disappointing to hear 111 considering I have heard of one female candidate with a less than desirable reputation in GA (but always managed to get the next job somehow) making it through the selection process.
Disappointing to hear 111 considering I have heard of one female candidate with a less than desirable reputation in GA (but always managed to get the next job somehow) making it through the selection process.
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Haidee is an excellent pilot and person. She would have been a successful applicant even if she was male.
I have heard there are 500+ retirements coming up over the next 5 years. Everyone is going to get an interview and I have heard they are looking for well rounded people. Someone you would want to spend a long flight next to, not an arrogant ace.
Cheers
I have heard there are 500+ retirements coming up over the next 5 years. Everyone is going to get an interview and I have heard they are looking for well rounded people. Someone you would want to spend a long flight next to, not an arrogant ace.
Cheers
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There's no bias in the selection. The girls are getting knocked back in pretty much the same ratio as the boys. (IE if the applicant group is 15% female only 15% of females are getting through to the hold file). A good operator is a good operator and that's what every pilot involved in the selection process is trying to assess.
Qantas have been upfront about trying to encourage more women to seek careers across the board. It's not just pilot positions although that was what the forum was about a few days back.
Where I reckon they're missing though is they're mostly preaching to the converted. Most girls at those forums are likely to have already chosen an aviation career or be thinking very seriously about it.
Qantas have been upfront about trying to encourage more women to seek careers across the board. It's not just pilot positions although that was what the forum was about a few days back.
Where I reckon they're missing though is they're mostly preaching to the converted. Most girls at those forums are likely to have already chosen an aviation career or be thinking very seriously about it.
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Have been told that if minimums are met, that's a box ticked.
Doesn't matter if the 500 hours needed was in a c172 or 737...invites are being sent out according to the psych/aptitude score.
Doesn't matter if the 500 hours needed was in a c172 or 737...invites are being sent out according to the psych/aptitude score.
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There's no bias in the selection. The girls are getting knocked back in pretty much the same ratio as the boys. (IE if the applicant group is 15% female only 15% of females are getting through to the hold file). A good operator is a good operator and that's what every pilot involved in the selection process is trying to assess.
If what you say is correct then just look at the 100 cadet applicants. I understand about 15 were female and none of them were rejected as opposed to about 30 males. How's my maths?
Male: 35% failure rate
Female: 0% failure rate
By my count about 5 females should have missed out.
I'm not sure what's happened since, the "sample group" has grown hugely from the original cadet group.
Why are you guys in mainline not stamping your feet about this? Your airline clearly has a discriminatory recruiting practice in addition to a terribly flawed one run by incompetents. Why is AIPA not kicking up a fuss about this either?
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i don't know about the cadet numbers. My figures are more to do with direct entry applications.
I've no idea what this is supposed to mean?!?
I'm on the side of wanting the best applicants to get the job. Having done pilot assessment I can categorically tell you that the sex of the person sitting across from me has zero bearing on the assessment of them. In the specific circumstances of the cadet numbers, maybe the girls prepped harder*. Maybe they didn't assume the selection was a box ticking exercise. Maybe they were just better on the day. Maybe the crap that gets handed to them on occasion by idiots in the industry mean they've got to perform better than the guys. Perhaps it's a function that only highly skilled females applied to become cadets and therefore they're not a typical applicant data set.
AIPA has no role in the selection of pilots. They've got no say in who Qantas employs. Im not sure they can't stamp their feet up and down about anything in this area.
A number of very clever, very smart crew (way smarter than me) continue to provide feedback into the HR process to ensure that it's as robust as possible and we are getting the right candidates. It's not going to be perfect and sometimes suitable candidates miss out (either by misfortune or not being competitive); or sometimes the system will not pick up somone who should have been excluded and they'll get an offer. Either way, those flight crew in a position to influence and improve the process are providing the feedback.
*i haven't done an assessment centre for a while but the anecedota feedback is this lack of prep could be an emerging theme. My advice to an applicant is to do your homework. On the airline, your future role, and how you'll fit into it, and most importantly, yourself. Know who you are, what you can offer and have examples that back that home.
I've no idea what this is supposed to mean?!?
I'm on the side of wanting the best applicants to get the job. Having done pilot assessment I can categorically tell you that the sex of the person sitting across from me has zero bearing on the assessment of them. In the specific circumstances of the cadet numbers, maybe the girls prepped harder*. Maybe they didn't assume the selection was a box ticking exercise. Maybe they were just better on the day. Maybe the crap that gets handed to them on occasion by idiots in the industry mean they've got to perform better than the guys. Perhaps it's a function that only highly skilled females applied to become cadets and therefore they're not a typical applicant data set.
AIPA has no role in the selection of pilots. They've got no say in who Qantas employs. Im not sure they can't stamp their feet up and down about anything in this area.
A number of very clever, very smart crew (way smarter than me) continue to provide feedback into the HR process to ensure that it's as robust as possible and we are getting the right candidates. It's not going to be perfect and sometimes suitable candidates miss out (either by misfortune or not being competitive); or sometimes the system will not pick up somone who should have been excluded and they'll get an offer. Either way, those flight crew in a position to influence and improve the process are providing the feedback.
*i haven't done an assessment centre for a while but the anecedota feedback is this lack of prep could be an emerging theme. My advice to an applicant is to do your homework. On the airline, your future role, and how you'll fit into it, and most importantly, yourself. Know who you are, what you can offer and have examples that back that home.
My encouragement workshop was sweeping the hangar. I think if you need to be pumped up at a rally to get enthused about a job, you may end up doing it for the wrong reasons.
just look at the 100 cadet applicants. I understand about 15 were female and none of them were rejected as opposed to about 30 males.