Qantas Recruitment
Latest email from CP said external applicants expected to start training in March.
Rumour also, though no validity and I personally have doubts about it, at least one Virgin pilot sounded out/offered direct entry FO in Perth.
Rumour also, though no validity and I personally have doubts about it, at least one Virgin pilot sounded out/offered direct entry FO in Perth.
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Can the same people please stop hijacking every Qantas thread and filling them with negative rhetoric. I'd suggest that the recruitment thread is not the best place for this negativity. Many people are interested to know what is going on so please don't muddy the waters here.
Funny how these days if someone holds an opinion contrary to your own it's much easier to yell "hater" or some other such fatuously gormless dribble rather than address the issue under contention. Just saying, but maybe I should be quite about it instead.
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Even if Tuck Mach's comments on this thread are valid (and a lot of them regarding QF's current process are pure fantasy) there is sweet FA any applicant can do about it.
In that respect the discussion that H dog is seeking is to simply keep this thread relevant to the ongoing process and that those who want to discuss the relative merits of what they think the process is/ should be take it elsewhere as they're repetitive and add nothing of value to those trying to get in.
In that respect the discussion that H dog is seeking is to simply keep this thread relevant to the ongoing process and that those who want to discuss the relative merits of what they think the process is/ should be take it elsewhere as they're repetitive and add nothing of value to those trying to get in.
For christs sake fella's, every f**king airline is the same no matter where you go. I hear it all the time, and quite frankly I'm over it. 
There's an easy solution to all your problems in life/aviation - get out of it.
For those who want to just get on with their careers, don't pay attention to the drivel touted by those above. Get into the positions that YOU want. There's little you can do about the things that bother these guys, so just sit back, relax, enjoy the job. Those that get caught up in it all just become grumpy old men who can never be pleased. Case in point above.
Anyway, back to the point of the thread. For those seeking recruiting information about Qantas and nothing more. Good luck to all those who have applied.
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There's an easy solution to all your problems in life/aviation - get out of it.
For those who want to just get on with their careers, don't pay attention to the drivel touted by those above. Get into the positions that YOU want. There's little you can do about the things that bother these guys, so just sit back, relax, enjoy the job. Those that get caught up in it all just become grumpy old men who can never be pleased. Case in point above.
Anyway, back to the point of the thread. For those seeking recruiting information about Qantas and nothing more. Good luck to all those who have applied.
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I got the email asking for reference checks yesterday. But still have to see a psychologist as the results form my clinical assessment were "socially desirable". From what I can gather HR are on break until the end of Jan and no "yes" letters will be handed out until then...
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I had to look that one up: Social desirability bias, quoted verbatum 
Looks like the test detected inconsistencies in your answers & they want a human to evaluate you as well.
Originally Posted by wikipedia
Social desirability bias is a social science research term that describes a type of response bias that is the tendency of survey respondents to answer questions in a manner that will be viewed favorably by others. It can take the form of over-reporting "good behavior" or under-reporting "bad", or undesirable behavior. The tendency poses a serious problem with conducting research with self-reports, especially questionnaires. This bias interferes with the interpretation of average tendencies as well as individual differences.
Topics where socially desirable responding (SDR) is of special concern are self-reports of abilities, personality, sexual behavior, and drug use. When confronted with the question "How often do you masturbate?", for example, respondents may be pressured by the societal taboo against masturbation, and either under-report the frequency or avoid answering the question. Therefore, the mean rates of masturbation derived from self-report surveys are likely to be severe underestimates.
Topics where socially desirable responding (SDR) is of special concern are self-reports of abilities, personality, sexual behavior, and drug use. When confronted with the question "How often do you masturbate?", for example, respondents may be pressured by the societal taboo against masturbation, and either under-report the frequency or avoid answering the question. Therefore, the mean rates of masturbation derived from self-report surveys are likely to be severe underestimates.
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My attempts to show the game has changed isn't fantasy, it is at all airlines largely a result of corporate tagging wagging the flight operations dog..An adversarial IR and HR structure is a characteristic of Qantas and it is more pronounced these days than ever, hence the confusion that many new candidates are finding. The escalation was certainly evident in 2011 and the roll out continues.
The courageous semi anonymous postings are interesting psychologically but information may just help someone who was looking to understand the game from the HR side. I wish all new applicants well in the new confusing HR processes, airlines sure aren't what they used to be!
And for the record, fantasy would be letting your colleagues assume that you were RAAF, when in actuality the lauding over young cadets is as far as you got.
The courageous semi anonymous postings are interesting psychologically but information may just help someone who was looking to understand the game from the HR side. I wish all new applicants well in the new confusing HR processes, airlines sure aren't what they used to be!
And for the record, fantasy would be letting your colleagues assume that you were RAAF, when in actuality the lauding over young cadets is as far as you got.
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[QUOTE
And for the record, fantasy would be letting your colleagues assume that you were RAAF, when in actuality the lauding over young cadets is as far as you got.[/QUOTE]
Seems to be directed, I have not seen that either here on Prune or at work.
The fantasy seems more in your mind that you are an airline HR expert.
And for the record, fantasy would be letting your colleagues assume that you were RAAF, when in actuality the lauding over young cadets is as far as you got.[/QUOTE]
Seems to be directed, I have not seen that either here on Prune or at work.
The fantasy seems more in your mind that you are an airline HR expert.
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The hilarious aspect though is you've demonstrated to those QF drivers who frequent this forum (and who actually know me) what a fraud you are. Nice own goal clown.
Ah yes, Keg the man trying so hard to hide his background he regularly posts about his experience as a Qantas cadet, has one of the best "advice for cadet applicant" threads in the archives and is never backwards in hiding his identity on these forums. 
Let's have a bit of respect for one of the few posters on this forum that you actually know where they are coming from even when you disagree.
Let's have a bit of respect for one of the few posters on this forum that you actually know where they are coming from even when you disagree.
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Have any of the external applicants meeting the requirements been told "no" after completing the video interview and psychometric testing?
Haven't heard a peep in regards to my application and didn't receive the xmas break email so just wondering if I'm still in the pool or flushed away.
Haven't heard a peep in regards to my application and didn't receive the xmas break email so just wondering if I'm still in the pool or flushed away.
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Well now. Standby, direct message follows.
My attempts to show the game has changed isn't fantasy, it is at all airlines largely a result of corporate tagging wagging the flight operations dog..An adversarial IR and HR structure is a characteristic of Qantas and it is more pronounced these days than ever, hence the confusion that many new candidates are finding. The escalation was certainly evident in 2011 and the roll out continues.
The courageous semi anonymous postings are interesting psychologically but information may just help someone who was looking to understand the game from the HR side. I wish all new applicants well in the new confusing HR processes, airlines sure aren't what they used to be!
And for the record, fantasy would be letting your colleagues assume that you were RAAF, when in actuality the lauding over young cadets is as far as you got.
The courageous semi anonymous postings are interesting psychologically but information may just help someone who was looking to understand the game from the HR side. I wish all new applicants well in the new confusing HR processes, airlines sure aren't what they used to be!
And for the record, fantasy would be letting your colleagues assume that you were RAAF, when in actuality the lauding over young cadets is as far as you got.
Adversarial IR, yes, certainly in the past, but the last EA negotiations seemed (from one not directly involved in negotiations) to have been conducted with far more mutual respect and consultation. This is directly attributable to the people involved on both sides of the table. All are honourable people who I have personally worked with and know well. We owe them all a collective debt of gratitude.
Your last sentence, however, does your credibility no favours whatsoever.
I have known Keg for many years and have had the pleasure of sharing the 767 flight deck with him on many occasions, although far too few. His professionalism and standing within Qantas is beyond reproach. Regular PPRuNers know he has always been open and honest with his time and advice. His advice even helped me into Qantas after I spent a year in the wilderness post Ansett debacle. Before that I spent 16 years in the RAAF. Keg has never once represented that he was a former RAAF pilot, although I'm certain if he had the opportunities I was fortunate enough to have he would have had a stellar career. Perhaps he was the victim of the HR mafia you seem so angry at, I don't know. What I do know is that, despite not serving as a RAAF pilot, he has done more for the RAAF by nurturing young kids into a future career in the military, than any other person I know. He even tried to get me to sign up for the cadets once. I'll be the first to admit I'm a lot more selfish with my time than Keg. Just like the other 99% of the population.
Your comments also deride the Air Force Cadets as an organisation. Many past, present and future Air Force officers and airmen are given their first taste of the RAAF through this organisation. In fact my nephew has been with the organisation for many years, was sent solo in a glider at age 15 thanks to an Air Force Cadet scholarship, has been given work experience on two bases in recent years and continues to use their guidance to realise his career goal of joining ADFA as a RAAF pilot trainee. It's a wonderful organisation filled with great people.
So, Pal, in closing, PULL YOUR HEAD IN! Now please return to the Qantas recruitment discussion.
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Uh gees
Wrap it up boys
Wrap it up boys
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Sorry for the distraction
Sorry to drag this off thread but I'm not going to let this anonymous BS to sit out in the open without a response.
Funny how people love to take anonymous pot shots but no one ever has the guts to say stuff to your face. In Mohikan's case this sad obsession goes back more than 6 years.
So once again I'll state publicly what I've previously stated publicly 6 years ago. It's what I tell every person I fly with who asks my background.
I'm an ex Qantas cadet. I graduated the Australian Aviation College (later it became known as Flight Training Adelaide) in 1992. I've never been a RAAF pilot. I've never told anyone I was an ex RAAF pilot. If someone has asked me if I was ex RAAF I've said 'no'.
Here's the rest of the story for the avoidance of doubt.
I started as a 744 S/O in January '95. I failed my first line check as a 767 F/O around Sept '97. I facilitated CRM from 2004- 2005. I converted to the 744 as a F/O in 2006. I converted back to the 767 and upgraded to command in 2008. I failed Com 8 sim along the way. I was demoted to F/O A380 in early 2015 when the 767 was retired. I converted to the A330 and got my command back in a PER base in Jan 16. I commute from Sydney.
I spent 20 years in various ranks within the Air Training Corps/ Australian Air Force Cadets. I'm happy to detail those ranks and appointments if anyone cares- I suspect no one does. My one and only experience in any RAAF aircraft was a PC9 ride in early 2001.
I've got a daughter who has just finished her HSC and wants to be a neo-natal nurse; a son who is going into year 9; and a daughter going into year 4. I'm a Sydney Swans member and I go to an Anglican church in the Sutherland Shire every Sunday I can. I'm pretty much an open book here, on Qrewroom, and flying the line.
Mohikan's identity on the other hand.........
I'd be very surprised if any PER F/O thought I was ex RAAF. Given Mohikan's previous form of simply making stuff up (try an advanced search of Mohikan's username with my handle of Keg as the 'keyword' for some examples of the type of tripe that make up the obsession) my money is this is yet another fabrication.
If I talk Christianity on the flight deck it's because the subject has come up, not because I've pushed it. When discussing why I'm not interested certain things that other crew are I'll explain its due to my Christian faith. If they ask, I go into more detail. If they don't, I don't.
Sorry again everyone for the distraction. It's sad that cowards like Mohikan and Mach Tuck never have the guts to say anything to someone's face but try and damage reputations whilst anonymously hiding behind their keyboards.
Merry Christmas to all the nice people on PPRUNE. My thanks to IsDon and mcgrath50 for their support. Really appreciate it.
Funny how people love to take anonymous pot shots but no one ever has the guts to say stuff to your face. In Mohikan's case this sad obsession goes back more than 6 years.
So once again I'll state publicly what I've previously stated publicly 6 years ago. It's what I tell every person I fly with who asks my background.
I'm an ex Qantas cadet. I graduated the Australian Aviation College (later it became known as Flight Training Adelaide) in 1992. I've never been a RAAF pilot. I've never told anyone I was an ex RAAF pilot. If someone has asked me if I was ex RAAF I've said 'no'.
Here's the rest of the story for the avoidance of doubt.
I started as a 744 S/O in January '95. I failed my first line check as a 767 F/O around Sept '97. I facilitated CRM from 2004- 2005. I converted to the 744 as a F/O in 2006. I converted back to the 767 and upgraded to command in 2008. I failed Com 8 sim along the way. I was demoted to F/O A380 in early 2015 when the 767 was retired. I converted to the A330 and got my command back in a PER base in Jan 16. I commute from Sydney.
I spent 20 years in various ranks within the Air Training Corps/ Australian Air Force Cadets. I'm happy to detail those ranks and appointments if anyone cares- I suspect no one does. My one and only experience in any RAAF aircraft was a PC9 ride in early 2001.
I've got a daughter who has just finished her HSC and wants to be a neo-natal nurse; a son who is going into year 9; and a daughter going into year 4. I'm a Sydney Swans member and I go to an Anglican church in the Sutherland Shire every Sunday I can. I'm pretty much an open book here, on Qrewroom, and flying the line.
Mohikan's identity on the other hand.........
I'd be very surprised if any PER F/O thought I was ex RAAF. Given Mohikan's previous form of simply making stuff up (try an advanced search of Mohikan's username with my handle of Keg as the 'keyword' for some examples of the type of tripe that make up the obsession) my money is this is yet another fabrication.
If I talk Christianity on the flight deck it's because the subject has come up, not because I've pushed it. When discussing why I'm not interested certain things that other crew are I'll explain its due to my Christian faith. If they ask, I go into more detail. If they don't, I don't.
Sorry again everyone for the distraction. It's sad that cowards like Mohikan and Mach Tuck never have the guts to say anything to someone's face but try and damage reputations whilst anonymously hiding behind their keyboards.
Merry Christmas to all the nice people on PPRUNE. My thanks to IsDon and mcgrath50 for their support. Really appreciate it.
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One final note about discussing Christianity on the flight deck. Over the years I've listened to people talk about politics, economics, astronomy, Investing, renovations, relationships, marriage, death, refugees, video piracy, world conflict, US elections, third world immigration, drugs in society, same sex marriage and any number of variations on those themes, etc. if I can listen politely to a socialist green voter whilst they discuss the relative merits of their world view and why they hold such beliefs why is me explaining my beliefs and why I disagree with the other person such a heinous crime?
