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Sit tight and have patience - obviously you didn't do too badly to be cut after the quiz, but not that great otherwise you would have been invited to go to assessment centre. Can't imagine assessments stopping NOV 24 when they are looking to recruit over the next 3 years - just they need to give first dibs to the guys who did well at the psychometrics. Maybe Keg can shed some light on this?
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Hi all,
Do you think that they have watched the video interviews of those invited to the Assessment Centre yet?
Do you think that they have watched the video interviews of those invited to the Assessment Centre yet?
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Having made a few posts that get lost...
I posit the following.
There is no-one gracing these pages that is on the inside of this process. It is HR driven drivel and therefore will not represent what pilots understand to be a recruiting process.
Yes I am well aware that many airlines do it, HR struggles for relevance in every corporate.
HR run and control this process, so those applying (and good luck to all) need to understand that it bears little resemblance to what was understood and behaves as a another 'battle for relevance'
I posit the following.
There is no-one gracing these pages that is on the inside of this process. It is HR driven drivel and therefore will not represent what pilots understand to be a recruiting process.
Yes I am well aware that many airlines do it, HR struggles for relevance in every corporate.
HR run and control this process, so those applying (and good luck to all) need to understand that it bears little resemblance to what was understood and behaves as a another 'battle for relevance'
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Thanks Don for the reply.
My point remains.
As I understand it pilot recruitment was previously 'managed' from Qantas Building C. The manager's office was very close to the Chief Pilot's office.
Has this changed?
Who actually controls the recruitment process?
I will wager that it is no longer in the new Qantas building C, more likely it has moved to HR in another building. Do pilot recruiters reside in those offices?
Therefore, given the reality espoused above, any pilot input will be minimal from a flight operations perspective and as such the 'talent' is simply presented to flight operations for a given start date.
Would very appreciate being corrected on this process, but suspect that the files and 'control' of this process is nowhere near the pilot body. Corporate hierarchy love it that that way
My point remains.
As I understand it pilot recruitment was previously 'managed' from Qantas Building C. The manager's office was very close to the Chief Pilot's office.
Has this changed?
Who actually controls the recruitment process?
I will wager that it is no longer in the new Qantas building C, more likely it has moved to HR in another building. Do pilot recruiters reside in those offices?
Therefore, given the reality espoused above, any pilot input will be minimal from a flight operations perspective and as such the 'talent' is simply presented to flight operations for a given start date.
Would very appreciate being corrected on this process, but suspect that the files and 'control' of this process is nowhere near the pilot body. Corporate hierarchy love it that that way
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Tuck,
As of a couple of weeks ago* pilot recruitment was being overseen by Head of Base Operations- a pilot.
The HR people currently overseeing the pilot recruitment in mainline are 'Flight Operations' HR. They report to the HOBO. (I just wish we had a 'Manager of Flight Operations because I'd love to one day apply for the job of MoFO!).
The head of 'Flight Ops HR' desk faces the Chief Pilot's. The HR person running pilot recruitment is about 2 meters further away.
Who controls the recruitment process? Interesting question. Certainly it was signed off by Flight Ops (the Chief Pilot) although the process bears distinct similarities to that used for other positions both within Flight Ops and I suspect across the wider group.
Within the decision making process their are pilot assessors on the assessment centre days. A pilot assesses the sim and the Chief Pilot and Head of Training are at least two pilots involved in the exec review prior to appointing a pilot- there have been pilots knocked back at this stage previously.
Whether all that corresponds to the 'control' being with the pilot body I'm not sure. It depends on what you personal weight you put on the word 'control' as there is definitely some nuance to the point. I'm not sure I can accurately answer that question myself and I have a closer relationship with the recruitment process than most.
Either way, it's somewhat irrelevant to those who have to jump through the hoops. It is what it is for the moment.
Hope that assists.
(* I say a couple of weeks ago because much can change in QF in a couple of weeks. There have not been any announcements though).
As of a couple of weeks ago* pilot recruitment was being overseen by Head of Base Operations- a pilot.
The HR people currently overseeing the pilot recruitment in mainline are 'Flight Operations' HR. They report to the HOBO. (I just wish we had a 'Manager of Flight Operations because I'd love to one day apply for the job of MoFO!).
The head of 'Flight Ops HR' desk faces the Chief Pilot's. The HR person running pilot recruitment is about 2 meters further away.
Who controls the recruitment process? Interesting question. Certainly it was signed off by Flight Ops (the Chief Pilot) although the process bears distinct similarities to that used for other positions both within Flight Ops and I suspect across the wider group.
Within the decision making process their are pilot assessors on the assessment centre days. A pilot assesses the sim and the Chief Pilot and Head of Training are at least two pilots involved in the exec review prior to appointing a pilot- there have been pilots knocked back at this stage previously.
Whether all that corresponds to the 'control' being with the pilot body I'm not sure. It depends on what you personal weight you put on the word 'control' as there is definitely some nuance to the point. I'm not sure I can accurately answer that question myself and I have a closer relationship with the recruitment process than most.
Either way, it's somewhat irrelevant to those who have to jump through the hoops. It is what it is for the moment.
Hope that assists.
(* I say a couple of weeks ago because much can change in QF in a couple of weeks. There have not been any announcements though).
Last edited by Keg; 13th Nov 2016 at 21:32. Reason: Forgot to explain the *
For all those concerned about not hearing anything back yet. Applying to Qantas is like a flight test, your still in it until they tell you No Thank You. From experience previous it can be months between stages (and that's when recruiting was heavy). With over 1000 applicants it will take them time to process it all.
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Hi all. I've been invited to the second stage of assessments and I'm a little uncertain about what medical forms I need to bring on the day. It says to bring the water competency form and medical forms. It also says in the email that you are allowed 21 days to complete the medical forms (I only have 13 days between the invite and the assessment day and do not live in a capital city with direct access to approved medical providers), so can I assume that I am not required to bring the medical forms with me to the assessment centre. The email from Qantas detailing this is as clear as mud!
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Garman
Yes you are correct, it is isn't very clear. The medical and water competency forms are NOT needed until after assessment day. So if you get the nod to continue your progress that's when you start your medical bits and pieces. If you get the no from assessment day you obviously won't do the medical bits and pieces. It isn't very obvious but it actually says bring forms to medical assessment, not the assessment day.
Hope this clears it up
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Yes you are correct, it is isn't very clear. The medical and water competency forms are NOT needed until after assessment day. So if you get the nod to continue your progress that's when you start your medical bits and pieces. If you get the no from assessment day you obviously won't do the medical bits and pieces. It isn't very obvious but it actually says bring forms to medical assessment, not the assessment day.
Hope this clears it up
Cheers
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So of those who attended the assessment centre on 7 Nov (or in fact those who attend after today and then read this) have any been through the simulator? If so which aircraft is used and what sort of profile can be expected?
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Keg,
The funniest thing about your post is that you have merely confirmed what Tuck Mach wrote.
But I don't think you realise it.
The funniest thing about your post is that you have merely confirmed what Tuck Mach wrote.
There is no-one gracing these pages that is on the inside of this process.
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Garman,
You have 21 days from receiving the email to complete your medical assessments. Therefore it's ok not to have it all completed if your assessment day is less than 21 days notice.
You have 21 days from receiving the email to complete your medical assessments. Therefore it's ok not to have it all completed if your assessment day is less than 21 days notice.
This is correct. It is 21 days from receiving the email not 21 days after your assessment. Some people have interviews in excess of 21 days notice so are required to have all the medical stuff done before attending the interview. It's a lot of money to spend before even going for the interview.
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Thank you keepitrealok...
Many have been welcomed into the 'new world mantra', after the grounding and lockout, the same management now proclaim it is all different.. Previously loud voices have been silenced by becoming uniform models and such. It takes very little to stroke some egos.
The irony is subtle and lost on most, but it is power play and from my perspective, HR are winning, flight operations a department in a company of departments, all fighting for resources.
HR being what they are see pilots as 'necessary evils'. Just ask them quietly though; pilots have very little input on the performance of the organisation, Battles are won at their desks. Despite a sea of empty desks every weekend as the HR people enjoy their weekends, the reality is airlines generate the revenue they earn, whether those desks are occupied or not..It is and always has been the operational staff that generate revenue. Other than a cost shift to prospective candidates for interviews tests and the like, HR do not generally generate revenue, but you can bet they consume it
Corporate power plays are just that and I think it very important that prospective talent recognise the game they are playing when they apply to the group website..
Many have been welcomed into the 'new world mantra', after the grounding and lockout, the same management now proclaim it is all different.. Previously loud voices have been silenced by becoming uniform models and such. It takes very little to stroke some egos.
The irony is subtle and lost on most, but it is power play and from my perspective, HR are winning, flight operations a department in a company of departments, all fighting for resources.
HR being what they are see pilots as 'necessary evils'. Just ask them quietly though; pilots have very little input on the performance of the organisation, Battles are won at their desks. Despite a sea of empty desks every weekend as the HR people enjoy their weekends, the reality is airlines generate the revenue they earn, whether those desks are occupied or not..It is and always has been the operational staff that generate revenue. Other than a cost shift to prospective candidates for interviews tests and the like, HR do not generally generate revenue, but you can bet they consume it
Corporate power plays are just that and I think it very important that prospective talent recognise the game they are playing when they apply to the group website..
