Qantas Recruitment
The builders will have in the contract for the sim building a penalty payment. Qantas will probably fight them however they will not walk away for nothing IMO. The site has to be fixed up plus there is the lease on three floors of car parking next door. A right royal mess.
I wont be agreeing to any pay cuts to save Normanton and other S/Os jobs. Given the way he carried on and abused senior pilots during the LHEA vote. Now the shoe is on the other foot and he is facing unemployment his pie hole is shut
Last on first off. Seniority and the RIN process will be enforced. End of story.
A RIN is never financially viable for the airline. It had a chance to change or get rid of that process during the last LHEA vote, which was taken during the COVID emergency if you look at the timing and it declined to do so.
If Qantas goes to FWA now seeking variation to the RIN and redundancy processes it wont have a leg to stand on. AIPA will fight this one into the ground
Last on, first off. See you later Normanton. Enjoy working at Maccas.
Last on first off. Seniority and the RIN process will be enforced. End of story.
A RIN is never financially viable for the airline. It had a chance to change or get rid of that process during the last LHEA vote, which was taken during the COVID emergency if you look at the timing and it declined to do so.
If Qantas goes to FWA now seeking variation to the RIN and redundancy processes it wont have a leg to stand on. AIPA will fight this one into the ground
Last on, first off. See you later Normanton. Enjoy working at Maccas.
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I still don't agree with you. You are talking LH only - this is not a LH only issue. At no point during EBA negotiations / voting was International planned to be at 1% and domestic at 5%. Realistically the pre-COVID 19 network are both operating at 0% without the government funding.
Your argument is valid, but Qantas have an army of lawyers who would rip it apart in FW. Don't forget who we work for here. An opportunity like this is once in a lifetime, and Allan will take full advantage of it.
Ask the contractors building the new sim training building how a signed contract worked out for them. Again, never one to waste an opportunity.
Your argument is valid, but Qantas have an army of lawyers who would rip it apart in FW. Don't forget who we work for here. An opportunity like this is once in a lifetime, and Allan will take full advantage of it.
Ask the contractors building the new sim training building how a signed contract worked out for them. Again, never one to waste an opportunity.
During the LHEA debate you abused and threatened anyone senior to you on this forum and elsewhere. But in fact if you had bothered to speak to the F/Os and Captains you fly with you would have realised the EA vote was always going to get up. Therefore, you didn't need to make the threats and deliver the abuse you did.
The bulk of the QF pilot voting 'public' always does the common sense and pragmatic thing. Has the last 30 years I have been with the company. Yes there are many folks who are vocal on Qrewroom and elsewhere, but you have to look beyond that.
Skysook talks about burning bridges. Thats the situation you have placed yourself in. The guys I fly with (like #londonbound) think that because they have been S/Os for six months or so they have nothing to learn and in fact are smarter and more experienced then the F/O and Captain.
I know for a fact no-one goes sick on me on the 787 because I never say a word to anyone about performance or knowledge. Even when the S/Os turn up not prepared, hungover and disinterested or start lecturing me on how to fly the aircraft. I let it all go because I know there is no point. I get to LHR, shrug my shoulders and move on.
But now the situation is that Normanton and others want the contract they so vigorously championed three months ago changed because it potentially doesn't suit them. But I am reasonably sure that given your previous behaviour not many of the pilots senior to you, even the silent sensible majority, have any sympathy for you.
Last time this situation happened I took half lines, gave up leave and look LWOP to help the group. I did this because the guys I worked with were team players and I knew that if the situation was reversed they would do same for me. But with you, Normanton, people know that if the situation was reversed you would not support us, and in fact would do everything possible to feather you own nest at the expense of your fellow pilots.
At least you have the RAAF to go back to. Most guys don't. Count yourself lucky
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I’d suggest the crew in QF Longhaul are looking at an extended brutal standown beating. Sometimes emotion gets out of control and that’s what we are seeing, don’t blame the participants. Looks like the 737 will be the most senior fleet for at least the next year! (Or 3)
I am confident the published RIN procedures will be followed. No FWA challenge. Why? Many reasons..but the main one is the cost blow out fear won’t eventuate with published procedures. At least not enough to warrant a challenge which they could easily lose. I challenge proponents of the FWA challenge to justify their position beyond ‘it’ll cost too much’ and explain why. Exactly where will the cascading training courses occur in this case. Put some thought into it because if you put forward a basic answer, I’ll conclude, probably accurately, that you’re not worthy of your scaremongering position. A good start is to answer this:
can a displacement occur on a fleet that itself is subject to a RIN?
and a chat to JB of AIPA first is a good idea.
can a displacement occur on a fleet that itself is subject to a RIN?
and a chat to JB of AIPA first is a good idea.
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Altogether, QF spent $62M on legal expenses throughout that process and gained less than $5M in savings from the minor changes in the determination. No, they are not scared of hiring the best legal minds no matter the cost Vs outcome.
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A bit of a thread drift...
Hi guys, long time lurker here. I know this is a bit of a thread drift, but would anybody have any information on when QLink (Sunstate/Eastern) would start recruiting FOs again? I understand that finding an answer to this question would be a bit of a long shot given the current situation, but just wanted to see if anyone would have any information at all. Many thanks!
Hi guys, long time lurker here. I know this is a bit of a thread drift, but would anybody have any information on when QLink (Sunstate/Eastern) would start recruiting FOs again? I understand that finding an answer to this question would be a bit of a long shot given the current situation, but just wanted to see if anyone would have any information at all. Many thanks!
Probably when all the existing ones are flying again and Pilots have moved around the group to cover shortages and surpluses and they need more. Which won’t be in the next 1-2 years.
Are you saying if a 747 FO gets made redundant, they can move to qlink, JQ ect?
im not aware of this arrangement
There is no arrangement for anyone in the group to go to QLink. If there was in the future, it would be via a similar EOI process to the one used to apply to mainline.
There have already been dozens of former QLink pilots at mainline who have enquired about the prospects of returning and all told the same grim news.
There have already been dozens of former QLink pilots at mainline who have enquired about the prospects of returning and all told the same grim news.
There is no arrangement for anyone in the group to go to QLink. If there was in the future, it would be via a similar EOI process to the one used to apply to mainline.
There have already been dozens of former QLink pilots at mainline who have enquired about the prospects of returning and all told the same grim news.
There have already been dozens of former QLink pilots at mainline who have enquired about the prospects of returning and all told the same grim news.
will be opportunities at network, cobham, Pacific, Japan, etc as the various domestic networks fire up again.
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When are we changing the title of this thread to “Network Recruitment”?
Some Perth based Short Haul Pilots are back on stand down, whilst Network are asking their pilots to work on days off as they are short of crew. Bloody disgusting...and the Acting QF Chief Pilot “isn’t sure what to say”.
Some Perth based Short Haul Pilots are back on stand down, whilst Network are asking their pilots to work on days off as they are short of crew. Bloody disgusting...and the Acting QF Chief Pilot “isn’t sure what to say”.
When are we changing the title of this thread to “Network Recruitment”?
Some Perth based Short Haul Pilots are back on stand down, whilst Network are asking their pilots to work on days off as they are short of crew. Bloody disgusting...and the Acting QF Chief Pilot “isn’t sure what to say”.
Some Perth based Short Haul Pilots are back on stand down, whilst Network are asking their pilots to work on days off as they are short of crew. Bloody disgusting...and the Acting QF Chief Pilot “isn’t sure what to say”.
disgusting
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Why the angst that Network is busy , thought that would be a good thing , more $$ for the group & some EOI to transfer
over from the rest of the group ?
Can someone explain why the 717 advertised externally for FOs in early January ? Was this because not enough group
people were interested ? Seems strange going to the outside market just because group guys might not have time on 717
Sounds like AIPA might have dropped the ball , if externals are being hired
over from the rest of the group ?
Can someone explain why the 717 advertised externally for FOs in early January ? Was this because not enough group
people were interested ? Seems strange going to the outside market just because group guys might not have time on 717
Sounds like AIPA might have dropped the ball , if externals are being hired