Qantas Recruitment
Qantas, like many other workplaces follows whatever the latest hiring fad is. HR love making stuff up that has seemingly no scientific basis.
Asking me during an interview whay my biggest fear is could possibly be the stupidist question I have ever been asked. If you or someone you know who is a strong candidate didn't get past application stage they were probably weeded out on one of many worthless criteria come up with by HR.
Asking me during an interview whay my biggest fear is could possibly be the stupidist question I have ever been asked. If you or someone you know who is a strong candidate didn't get past application stage they were probably weeded out on one of many worthless criteria come up with by HR.
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Greenfields, this was your original allegation.
Thats a very different thing from what your latter post.
Wothout posting the full full transcript of email/ SMS I fired off, here is the guts if it... perhaps the part of the story you weren’t told.
1. I’ve advocated for every pilot who meets the minimum criteria to do the psychometric testing. That way you find the ‘diamond in the rough’; the best psychometric pilots irrespective of experience. Sure there are more parts to the process but the psych helps builds a more complete picture.
2. Given that a line in the sand was drawn I questioned why we arbitrarily drew that line based purely on resumes and excluded some of the best trained pilots in Australia- RAAFies. I used the RAAF pilots of an example of why I felt the recruitment process was fundamentally flawed. In that respect I did ask if we were drawing a line in the sand, why were these people (as well as multi thousand hour regional jet pilots) excluded.
3. So no, not holding a pilot group above all others. Using them as an example of a flawed process and I suspect yours and my positions on all people should be progressed is virtually identical.
That’s not your perception of my position though so agian i suspect the version provided to you has not had some critical context. I’ll presume that was done of ignorance and not to tarnish my reputation.
...you fairly recently put forth a piece stating that all the RAAF pilots applying should be placed at the top of the recruiting process, to be handled before all others?
Wothout posting the full full transcript of email/ SMS I fired off, here is the guts if it... perhaps the part of the story you weren’t told.
1. I’ve advocated for every pilot who meets the minimum criteria to do the psychometric testing. That way you find the ‘diamond in the rough’; the best psychometric pilots irrespective of experience. Sure there are more parts to the process but the psych helps builds a more complete picture.
2. Given that a line in the sand was drawn I questioned why we arbitrarily drew that line based purely on resumes and excluded some of the best trained pilots in Australia- RAAFies. I used the RAAF pilots of an example of why I felt the recruitment process was fundamentally flawed. In that respect I did ask if we were drawing a line in the sand, why were these people (as well as multi thousand hour regional jet pilots) excluded.
3. So no, not holding a pilot group above all others. Using them as an example of a flawed process and I suspect yours and my positions on all people should be progressed is virtually identical.
That’s not your perception of my position though so agian i suspect the version provided to you has not had some critical context. I’ll presume that was done of ignorance and not to tarnish my reputation.
Last edited by Keg; 7th Sep 2018 at 10:52.
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Cognitive dissonance.
I’ve removed the number so as to make it less tedious.
Perhaps the tediousness of this thread comes more from the often snide, passive aggressive, often personal attacks rather than an ‘opinionated individual’ responding to those things?
My humble thanks to those colleagues I’ve run into at work who encourage or thank me for something I’ve said on PPRUNE that resonates. Interestingly the rock throwers on PPRUNE never say anything to my face.
1. Anyway...
2. Enjoy the rest of your weekend folks.
3. Hooroo.
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I’ve advocated for every pilot who meets the minimum criteria to do the psychometric testing. That way you find the ‘diamond in the rough’; the best psychometric pilots irrespective of experience. Sure there are more parts to the process but the psych helps builds a more complete picture.
Perhaps the tediousness of this thread comes more from the often snide, passive aggressive, often personal attacks rather than an ‘opinionated individual’ responding to those things?
My humble thanks to those colleagues I’ve run into at work who encourage or thank me for something I’ve said on PPRUNE that resonates. Interestingly the rock throwers on PPRUNE never say anything to my face.
1. Anyway...
2. Enjoy the rest of your weekend folks.
3. Hooroo.
.
Asking me during an interview whay my biggest fear is could possibly be the stupidist question I have ever been asked. If you or someone you know who is a strong candidate didn't get past application stage they were probably weeded out on one of many worthless criteria come up with by HR.
Be careful with this question, know a guy who was going for a mining job in WA who was asked this question, his response was something happening to his family. When he was rejected they said they had concerns he may struggle with being away from home for extended periods of time........ An no - i'm not joking
So today we find out the additional 6 787 are starting to arrive next year not April 2020 as I believe was announced. Sydney basing will open earlier and therefore in my opinion pilot recruitment will have to pick up.
Correct, my apologies, I’m hearing they are working on some form of sweetener to entice 747 crew to go there to avoid a RIN. What that is I don’t know.
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JFC. He made it clear that *every* pilot (RAAF, GA, Regional, hell..... even Navy) who meets the minimum criteria should proceed to psychometric testing. How that places RAAF at the top is beyond me. You can be the Wicked Witch of the West with 2000 hours on a broomstick. If that meets the minimum criteria set by the airline, you proceed to recruitment testing. End of story. How is that biased towards or against anyone?
Virgin dropped their mins to pretty much nothing at the start of 2018. What surprises me is the people getting interviews still have roughly the same CV as people did before the mins drop.
1500+ hours with 500 multi crew or multi PIC still seems to be what is wanted. I don't understand what they expect to achieve by dropping the mins if their expectations haven't changed.
With Qantas it's anyone's guess what they are after. The whole industry is confused. The mins should reflect the experience needed to at least get a face to face or a psychometric assessment.
1500+ hours with 500 multi crew or multi PIC still seems to be what is wanted. I don't understand what they expect to achieve by dropping the mins if their expectations haven't changed.
With Qantas it's anyone's guess what they are after. The whole industry is confused. The mins should reflect the experience needed to at least get a face to face or a psychometric assessment.
I gather that from Sept 1 under part 61 CASA has told Qantas that the initial second officer type check will now include sequences below 20,000, one of these been the candidate must be able to land the simulator in a 20 knot xwind with an engine out. IMO this makes previous experience highly relevant and simulator check as part of the employment process very relevant.