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Old 13th Aug 2018, 23:51
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Hold File

Whats the latest on the hold file. Many guys now been on it over 12 months.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 05:13
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Had the interview recently. 12 - 18 months on hold it'll be
 
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Not taking as many S/Os as we’d like. Lack of training capacity. Recent courses have been 6 per month when we’d prefer to be doing at least 12 and probably more. It’ll be the new year before we have the capacity to accelerate again.
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Originally Posted by POR777
Had the interview recently. 12 - 18 months on hold it'll be
Is that for Mainline or QLink?
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Originally Posted by Al Barsha South
Whats the latest on the hold file. Many guys now been on it over 12 months.
Dont be selfish, they are making room for foreign pilots here.
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Originally Posted by Burleigh Effect
Is that for Mainline or QLink?
That's for mainline
 
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Originally Posted by Keg
Not taking as many S/Os as we’d like. Lack of training capacity. Recent courses have been 6 per month when we’d prefer to be doing at least 12 and probably more. It’ll be the new year before we have the capacity to accelerate again.
6 per month would be roughly equal to normal attrition.....
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 05:35
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The 6 per month will probably all be internals at that rate.
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Does anybody know of internal candidates that have attended interviews in Sydney and received a NO from this stage?
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 22:06
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I’ve heard of one that has.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 23:36
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere
The 6 per month will probably all be internals at that rate.
That would depend on how many on the hold file from 2016 applications are internals.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 09:28
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I’ve heard a few JQ 78 and 320 FOs been told no after having an interview, Few ML skippers however have been told yes.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 10:13
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So have all internal groups applicants got a Yes/No now that JQ and Freighter girls and boys have?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 03:02
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Spoke to the some of the recruiters a few days ago. Qantas looking at 250+ Pilots per year needed for the next ten years given retirements and growth in the industry.
Happy days for pilots already in QF with rises up the ranks not seen in decades and great for new joiners too.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 03:51
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So 2500 in ten years, is that more that the current total?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 03:55
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Originally Posted by FightDeck
Spoke to the some of the recruiters a few days ago. Qantas looking at 250+ Pilots per year needed for the next ten years given retirements and growth in the industry.
Happy days for pilots already in QF with rises up the ranks not seen in decades and great for new joiners too.
Sounds like BS to me. There are roughly 2500 pilots in mainline at the moment, so either everyone of them is currently 55 or older - or QF expects to double in size for those numbers to make sense within a 10 year time frame. Across the Qantas Group maybe?

Its is good to see movement for the blokes in QF, well overdue.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 15:25
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About 40 LH pilots a year due to retire between now and 2025. It ramps up to 70-80 LH pilots per annum from 2025 to 2030. I’ve no visibility of the 737 pilots.
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Originally Posted by Keg
About 40 LH pilots a year due to retire between now and 2025. It ramps up to 70-80 LH pilots per annum from 2025 to 2030. I’ve no visibility of the 737 pilots.
Interesting time, thanks for the insight Keg. Out of interest, out of the 2500 pilots on the list, roughly what seniority number does the most junior east coast Wide Body FO and Narrow Body captain hold?
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Most junior ADL 737 command is a start date of early ‘02. Seniority circa 1390.
Most junior MEL 737 command is start date of mid ‘01. Seniority 1320ish.
Most junior east coast A330 F/O is circa 1590. Start date mid 2004.
Most junior east coast 787 F/O is 1400ish. Start date mid ‘02.

Hope that assists.
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Toga, as pilots age, the rate of medical terminations increases significantly. Each Captain who retires or leaves medically generates a significant number of training courses behind them. One A380/B747 Captain retirement could generate 5+ training course behind them. The consequence of this that as both the rate of growth and retirements increase, there is a disproportinate backlog of training. You could potentially have 5~10% of pilots in training at any one time.

The peculiarities of this seniority system, and the implications & consequences appear to have escaped senior management, and the delay in training & recruitment back in 2015 has put them significantly on the back of the drag curve. The training system then became clogged and further exacerbated the issue and increased significantly time off line in the training system (6 to 9 months to do a type course), a training death spiral
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