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Looking at the big picture, once this QF academy starts and is up and running, producing 100 cadets a year.
I see a number of these cadets going straight to the B7378 as F/O's, others may go to the Dash 8 or as Second Officers.
Jetstar cadets are going straight to the A320 as F/O's, i see QF doing the same.
From a pure observer's point of view, i see this happening without any doubt.
I see a number of these cadets going straight to the B7378 as F/O's, others may go to the Dash 8 or as Second Officers.
Jetstar cadets are going straight to the A320 as F/O's, i see QF doing the same.
From a pure observer's point of view, i see this happening without any doubt.
All media pics i’ve Seen have featured dash 8’s and that’s the impression I got from the qlink CP at the qantas roadshow?
dragon man are you talking about the 737 op because hardest working doesn’t just come down to flying hours. I have a friend at network. Their monthly roster stands at 74 flying hours to 155 duty hours. Don’t think there is that kind of gap on the 73. Personally I look at duty as opposed to flying as it’s the duty that means I’m away from home.
Not one RAAF applicant that I know of who applied in the latest round got asked to complete further testing. Perhaps there is more to this rumor of some deal between RAAF DP and Qantas HR.
Maybe recruiting are focusing on applicants with current jet airline experience? It looks like recruits are spending very little time as an SO or even none at all, so they want candidates who can easily transition into an FO role. From what I’m hearing in this time of supposed HR driven “yes men” being favoured, the candidates who have been selected in the last two years are actually considered very competent and they aren’t the ones having issues with their FO training.
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Jc31 - spending the day at a fully equipped mine site in private accommodation with great meals , pool , gym , foxtel and internet will be a hard sell against 4 or 5 sector days etc. The Learmonth day is not so rosy but alas that's Network.
don’t know what mine sites you’ve been to but I’ve never seen one as amazing as that! The dash guys are doing 4/5 sector days. Those guys don’t get enough credit. That kind of flying is hard!
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Sounds more likely that applicants will be vectored towards the under crewed subsidiaries, for a minimum return of service, before being able to move across to the parent. Might actually make sense......or it’s all completely random.
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I’ve been told by someone on the inside that there is truth to this rumour. RAAF pilots aren’t the only ones being held back by such an arrangement. There have been a number of discriminatory practices by HR that could open themselves up to litigation, but I doubt anybody would call them out on it and burn that bridge.
Aghh this all really cracks me up. I have flown all around the world, of all nationalities and sexes. No set race or sex makes a good pilot, it purely comes down to the skill and outlook that makes a good pilot
Yet here in the land of equality skills take a back seat. We have experienced Captains getting turned down and although I know that there are plenty of more experienced people then myself out there (In my 30's and a few thousand hours on the B737-800) I also got a thank you but no thank you email from QF.
This in the face of them setting up a flight school due to them saying they have a lack of pilots, doing a roadshow around the country and although I hate to say it because I would like to believe we are all looked on at our skill and experience level, their being a number of very young female second officers being employed.
Unfortunately I have given up on the QF Dream and I believe that's actually a good thing, I would prefer to work for a company that values experience and skills and not ticking off a HR column for specific demographics.
And before the negative comments role in, some of the best pilots I have ever flown with are female, but equality should be about EVERYONE getting a fair go, not disregarding candidates on what sex they are.
All the best everyone, keep the blue side up.
Yet here in the land of equality skills take a back seat. We have experienced Captains getting turned down and although I know that there are plenty of more experienced people then myself out there (In my 30's and a few thousand hours on the B737-800) I also got a thank you but no thank you email from QF.
This in the face of them setting up a flight school due to them saying they have a lack of pilots, doing a roadshow around the country and although I hate to say it because I would like to believe we are all looked on at our skill and experience level, their being a number of very young female second officers being employed.
Unfortunately I have given up on the QF Dream and I believe that's actually a good thing, I would prefer to work for a company that values experience and skills and not ticking off a HR column for specific demographics.
And before the negative comments role in, some of the best pilots I have ever flown with are female, but equality should be about EVERYONE getting a fair go, not disregarding candidates on what sex they are.
All the best everyone, keep the blue side up.
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As said earlier, it's not always about flying hours. Regional flying is always limited by duty hours, as very few sectors are greater than one hour. Can only speak for the props (and when I left late last year), but Eastern and Sunstate pilots were pretty much flying 19 or 20 days out of every 28, and averaging four sectors per day. I keep in touch with many of the crew and little has changed. Something else to remember is that the increased workload that the 737 crews are flying is relatively recent. The type of workload that I described earlier started making it's appearance around four years ago at the link, it was common when I left. Ever since the idiots that run the place decided that they only needed 8 pilots for each aircraft (4 Capts, 4 FO's.).
And don't forget the pay. A 10 year Q400 captain has a base around 130k. Allowances (even with the increased workload) are probably only another 25k on top of that. So quite a bit less than a 737 FO.
I've seen a lot of your comments. I'll be kind and say that you're being a little naïve if you believe this.
As said earlier, it's not always about flying hours. Regional flying is always limited by duty hours, as very few sectors are greater than one hour. Can only speak for the props (and when I left late last year), but Eastern and Sunstate pilots were pretty much flying 19 or 20 days out of every 28, and averaging four sectors per day. I keep in touch with many of the crew and little has changed. Something else to remember is that the increased workload that the 737 crews are flying is relatively recent. The type of workload that I described earlier started making it's appearance around four years ago at the link, it was common when I left. Ever since the idiots that run the place decided that they only needed 8 pilots for each aircraft (4 Capts, 4 FO's.).
And don't forget the pay. A 10 year Q400 captain has a base around 130k. Allowances (even with the increased workload) are probably only another 25k on top of that. So quite a bit less than a 737 FO.
Looking at the big picture, once this QF academy starts and is up and running, producing 100 cadets a year.
I see a number of these cadets going straight to the B7378 as F/O's, others may go to the Dash 8 or as Second Officers.
Jetstar cadets are going straight to the A320 as F/O's, i see QF doing the same.
From a pure observer's point of view, i see this happening without any doubt.
I see a number of these cadets going straight to the B7378 as F/O's, others may go to the Dash 8 or as Second Officers.
Jetstar cadets are going straight to the A320 as F/O's, i see QF doing the same.
From a pure observer's point of view, i see this happening without any doubt.
Or maybe the ones you know of just didn’t meet the standards, attitudes or experience that is being sought. Why do you assume that your RAAF mates should automatically get accepted into selection, when the standard is so high that thousand hour turboprop captains are getting knocked back? Being ex-RAAF doesn’t automatically equal “great airline pilot”.
Maybe recruiting are focusing on applicants with current jet airline experience? It looks like recruits are spending very little time as an SO or even none at all, so they want candidates who can easily transition into an FO role. From what I’m hearing in this time of supposed HR driven “yes men” being favoured, the candidates who have been selected in the last two years are actually considered very competent and they aren’t the ones having issues with their FO training.
There have been rumors for some time of a plea deal between Government and Airlines with regards to pilot recruitment and retention. It's not unreasonable to link no one getting offers (many with thousands of hours on big jets) and a very steadily declining RAAF pilot group to link the two of them together. There's no need to be so defensive. I'm really not sure why pilots feel the need to fight each other.
If it is indeed true, I wouldn't be surprised.
Hot off the rumour mill. The fuel price has them on a cost cutting campaign. They are burning the midnight oil at the moment to come up with a plan to call the 787 a 747 replacement and therefore avoid a RIN. Do I believe it? Yes, they have no scruples or morals.
'replacement'? Sounds like a half assed rumour to me, that's IA terminology, ain't it?
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Qantas due fleet composition are more exposed than those carriers who re-equipped a decade ago. Qantas could well whipsaw (if the idiot analysts ever bother checking the numbers)
Sources inside Qantas quietly suggested while little Napoleon was busy spending shareholder money funding/pushing his personal social view in the Same Sex Marriage 'discussion', alleged elements of Senior Management were very concerned with the term structure in the Oil and thus Jet fuel market.
Aghh this all really cracks me up. I have flown all around the world, of all nationalities and sexes. No set race or sex makes a good pilot, it purely comes down to the skill and outlook that makes a good pilot
Yet here in the land of equality skills take a back seat. We have experienced Captains getting turned down and although I know that there are plenty of more experienced people then myself out there (In my 30's and a few thousand hours on the B737-800) I also got a thank you but no thank you email from QF.
This in the face of them setting up a flight school due to them saying they have a lack of pilots, doing a roadshow around the country and although I hate to say it because I would like to believe we are all looked on at our skill and experience level, their being a number of very young female second officers being employed.
Unfortunately I have given up on the QF Dream and I believe that's actually a good thing, I would prefer to work for a company that values experience and skills and not ticking off a HR column for specific demographics.
And before the negative comments role in, some of the best pilots I have ever flown with are female, but equality should be about EVERYONE getting a fair go, not disregarding candidates on what sex they are.
All the best everyone, keep the blue side up.
Yet here in the land of equality skills take a back seat. We have experienced Captains getting turned down and although I know that there are plenty of more experienced people then myself out there (In my 30's and a few thousand hours on the B737-800) I also got a thank you but no thank you email from QF.
This in the face of them setting up a flight school due to them saying they have a lack of pilots, doing a roadshow around the country and although I hate to say it because I would like to believe we are all looked on at our skill and experience level, their being a number of very young female second officers being employed.
Unfortunately I have given up on the QF Dream and I believe that's actually a good thing, I would prefer to work for a company that values experience and skills and not ticking off a HR column for specific demographics.
And before the negative comments role in, some of the best pilots I have ever flown with are female, but equality should be about EVERYONE getting a fair go, not disregarding candidates on what sex they are.
All the best everyone, keep the blue side up.
In the allocations released yesterday, Melbourne 737 F/O is now junior to Perth and Adelaide. Looks to be a huge amount of movement through Melbourne with people shuffling 737-330-787 and changing seats versus minimal movement in Perth or Adelaide.
I don’t have an updated seniority list but those 737 Melbourne spots are going to people with less than 12 months in the company. Sydney isn’t far behind either. Good time to be a new joiner if you don’t particularly want to sit in the back seat and ride the party bus
I don’t have an updated seniority list but those 737 Melbourne spots are going to people with less than 12 months in the company. Sydney isn’t far behind either. Good time to be a new joiner if you don’t particularly want to sit in the back seat and ride the party bus
Nunc est bibendum
I think you’ll find not enough S/Os are bidding for ADL or PER so Qantas cut the cloth to match the bids. A few months back a colleague was told he was a shoe in for a PER command. The lack of S/Os bidding for F/O PER means that is no longer the case. And he missed out. Qantas wants to keep Captain and F/O numbers the same in PER but they can’t get the PER base to the size they want due to lack of F/O bids. The flying still needs to be crewed so the end result is bigger bases where people are bidding to go and Qantas will have to wear increased accommodation costs in PER.
Nunc est bibendum
If a new joiner was to start at mainline, what kind of progression in base and rank could one expect including the less popular bases (not sure which one, however I assume it is PER). What is the likelyhood of being offered a FO slot on day one? I have heard rumours of this happening but is there any first hand information out there. Appreciate any insight...
Hadn’t considered that scenario. Perhaps it’s time to start recruiting directly for Perth 737 F/O positions then. Surely a LoA or whatever the equivalent is these days could be put together to allow direct entry F/O spots under certain conditions (Condition #1 would be no current QF Pilots can be bidding for that base and category.)
Unfortunately LoA’s aren’t permissible anymore and Qantas are not seeking to amend the SH EBA to allow for it in this current round of bargaining.
Seems short-sighted as there should be a way to allow for it without upsetting the already employed pilots.
Seems short-sighted as there should be a way to allow for it without upsetting the already employed pilots.
