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Old 12th Apr 2018, 11:44
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Originally Posted by maggot
Completely disagree on all counts.
Concur Maggot.

My recent experiences of the long haul training system has been very very good.

A great bunch of trainers.

I’ve never experienced the SH training system in Qantas, but I think you would struggle to find a better training environment than the current LH system.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 12:13
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
That's not fair. I have paxed on the flight deck once or twice.

I was fortunate enough to take my first promotion in QF after 18 months when such a thing was possible.

As an F/O I am tired, however, of hearing Captains, who were widebody Captains in their late 20s or early 30s, lecture 40 y/o S/Os about why they're living their lives all wrong from an exalted seniority position some 1700 numbers above. One of these Captains recently had the audacity to pull out his iPad and start showing his S/O photos of the multi-million dollar holiday shack he was building and then wondered why they weren't interested.

These S/Os have children in their teens, well established in schools, and wives who work and have careers of their own and Captain X thinks they should up sticks and move to become an F/O, work more and take a pay cut.

These guys are utterly tone deaf to think that such advice is warranted or welcome. They have no idea what the world looks like from a S/O spot after the lost decade and should be sensible enough to keep their thoughts and ideas to themselves or maybe, having seen the consequences of the RIN first hand, I'm just a little more empathetic than others.

Apologies for the thread drift.
For new hires or those with young kids, the lifestyle and job satisfaction on the 737 is surely better than the S/O gig. Sounds like your circumstances are a bit different though and I totally understand why some guys aren’t interested in the 737 after many cushy years in the back seat.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 15:17
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
For new hires or those with young kids, the lifestyle and job satisfaction on the 737 is surely better than the S/O gig. Sounds like your circumstances are a bit different though and I totally understand why some guys aren’t interested in the 737 after many cushy years in the back seat.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 06:49
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Hi, anyone having gone through/going through the QF mainline recruitment process care to shed some light on the process and what prep sites to use. Feel free to pm. Thanks to those who take the time. Cheers.
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 00:50
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Direct Anywhere is spot on. In my time as an S/O at QF, before losing my medical and flying status, I got sick of pontificating fat tools telling me, at 36, how I should structure my career, ie how HE did. I was perfectly capable of making my own decisions in concert with my wife about where we lived, how we paid our mortgage and what lifestyle we wanted. Just wanted to say stick you 36ft cruiser up your date
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 01:58
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
having seen the consequences of the RIN first hand, I'm just a little more empathetic than others.

Apologies for the thread drift.
Sorry but would someone be able to tell me what RIN stands for....
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 03:10
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Originally Posted by Flydawg
Sorry but would someone be able to tell me what RIN stands for....
Reduction In Numbers.

In recent times it has meant remaining in rank but moving to another, lower hourly rate type if you were lucky, or being demoted from Captain to F/O or F/O to S/O - sometimes with a fleet change as well (eg: 767 to anything, A380 to A330 or 744…..)
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 03:17
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Originally Posted by C441
Reduction In Numbers.

In recent times it has meant remaining in rank but moving to another, lower hourly rate type if you were lucky, or being demoted from Captain to F/O or F/O to S/O - sometimes with a fleet change as well (eg: 767 to anything, A380 to A330 or 744…..)
Thanks C441
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 02:16
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Originally Posted by rodney rude
Direct Anywhere is spot on. In my time as an S/O at QF, before losing my medical and flying status, I got sick of pontificating fat tools telling me, at 36, how I should structure my career, ie how HE did. I was perfectly capable of making my own decisions in concert with my wife about where we lived, how we paid our mortgage and what lifestyle we wanted. Just wanted to say stick you 36ft cruiser up your date
The problem is, no-one joining in the last 20 years has had, or will have, the opportunity to structure their career as today's senior LH captains have. The advice given is utterly irrelevant to those who are S/Os in today's airline unless, perhaps, they are brand new joiners in their 20s and without a partner and kids settled in jobs/ school.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 05:18
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Any updates on where they are at with internal/external applications?
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Old 25th Apr 2018, 01:37
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I second startno1, has anybody heard when people internal/external may expect some news?
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Old 25th Apr 2018, 02:32
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Originally Posted by MICHELINSMOKE
I second startno1, has anybody heard when people internal/external may expect some news?
Sorry nothing but I'm hardly connected
Only thing I hear is va777s/os and cathay crew enmasse
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Old 2nd May 2018, 04:48
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Hi Guys, Got the email saying i am thru to stage 3 and asked to pick a date for assessment centre in Sydney. This was 3 weeks ago and haven't heard anything since. Anyone else on the same boat waiting ? Getting a bit worried as the email said limited positions for each date and no response after 3 weeks, and they don't respond to your email for confirmation.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 23:03
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Any updates for internals??
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Old 2nd May 2018, 23:10
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Old 3rd May 2018, 00:01
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Hi yotobeats, are you internal or external?
Have any external applicants heard anything yet?
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Old 3rd May 2018, 02:06
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Originally Posted by normanton

The reality is that they initially opened applications in OCT 2016. A year and a half down the track, and I know people who have been on hold for over 10 months!
Quite right, could be worse if you're an internal applicant.
A couple of internals who interviewed in FEB 2017 have only just received start dates for a mid-year course, it will be around the 17-month mark from interview date...
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Old 3rd May 2018, 09:48
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Originally Posted by ufford
My view, Qantas doesn’t want any pilots from here... they are waiting for everyone else to take them then recruit from overseas. Make it look like they want locals, then drag their feet forever and wait to the end and the pool is all but dry, throw their hands in the air and get the taxpayer to build their flight school complete with a new fleet of DA40s.
Yeah, nah.

Mainlin pilot recruitment and the Group Pilot Acadmey project are completely separate beings. (Whether they remain that way in the future is a discussion for another time but people aren’t even thinking about that yet).

There is lots of stuff happening behind the scenes. Wouldn’t surprise me if people start hearing soon about online assessment and subsequent testing.

Good luck to all.



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Old 3rd May 2018, 13:36
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Originally Posted by ufford
I hope you’re right but it all seems a bit suss to me.. they’re pushing for overseas pilots and I’m not sure they would take any locals if they had a cheaper option that had to do exactly as ordered with sponsorship revoking being held over them.. I’ve seen it before outside of aviation and not convinced this is not the master plan to take control
Who is "they're" in the "they're pushing..."? Mainline? Nope. Joyce has only ever mentioned 457 visas in the context of TRIs and crew for the Dash fleet. Personally I can't see their being a host of overseas based Dash 8 TRIs clamouring for the opportunity to come to Australia- particularly if they're on the 'cheaper option' deals that everyone keeps talking about.
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Old 4th May 2018, 04:16
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Originally Posted by Jetdream
Hi yotobeats, are you internal or external?
Have any external applicants heard anything yet?
@jetdream . External
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