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Old 7th Oct 2016, 22:59
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How commutable is an SO position?
Very. How enjoyable is the commute? Not very

Trips are generally dense enough to get reasonable time off in between, though higher divisors and being junior may mean getting more 3 day trips which makes commuting a bit more of a pain the backside.
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Old 8th Oct 2016, 02:04
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Originally Posted by Vetical Limit View Post
How commutable is an SO position?
Easy.

Depends where from of course... brissie or melbourne will get overnights etc for 330 crew too
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Old 8th Oct 2016, 02:13
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Originally Posted by Vetical Limit View Post
How commutable is an SO position?
I think you have to wait 6 months before you have access to Staff Travel so that may be the only fly in the ointment in the short term. Beyond that, as others point out it's pretty doable.

Blank Lines won't be great fun depending on where you're commuting from/ to but they're only every 18 months or so. With new crew coming on beneath you it could be even longer.

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Old 8th Oct 2016, 06:11
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What is the deal with "7. Do you have the following hours accrued?" I (as many people would) meet all of those requirements and then some (except rotary). I just ended up ticking 250hrs cmd and 1500hrs co pilot box.
 
Old 8th Oct 2016, 06:35
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I picked from the top using the theory that everything below option 1 was a secondary choice?
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Old 8th Oct 2016, 09:44
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Capt Fathom - to answer your question - FAM, and the TACM.

Companies such as Qlink, EFA, REX etc. are able to log PICUS from the right seat on PF sectors, provided they meet certain licence requirements, hence the confusion for some people and why it doesn't just state 500hrs multi-command like the good old days (circa 2007 for VB etc).

Clear as mud? Yep...
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Old 8th Oct 2016, 10:20
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Friday 7th October notice

Just a reminder for internal candidates and some info for external interest
This from the Chief Pilots Friday message
"The Expression of Interest for internal Group pilots will close this Sunday 9 October and the recruitment team will begin to review applications on Monday 10 October.
Today, Iím pleased to announce we are opening up pilot recruitment to the rest of the industry.
This will allow us to build a pool of external applicants who we can recruit into the business based on course availability, internal applicant release dates, and flying requirements.
If you know anyone who is interested in applying for a position with Qantas mainline they can apply here or simply direct them to the Qantas careers website. If you have any questions about pilot recruitment please send them to [email protected]
Importantly, entry into Qantas for all candidates will be merit based and for internals, commencement dates will be subject to operational requirements from the departing Group AOC. We are working closely across the AOCs to facilitate this process."
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Old 8th Oct 2016, 15:35
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Originally Posted by FogBuster View Post
Absolutely. From what I've heard it seems like HR has got QF by the balls though. Nobody should have any confidence in their "merit based" recruitment process after they cut more than a third of the former cadets in the last recruitment drive. Most of these guys have years of experience as FOs at QLink and JQ, some even have commands yet were deemed unsuitable to sit in the back of an A330. Further insult to injury when they were told not to reapply for a year!

Why the cadets weren't just taken in after a quick check of what they'd been up to is beyond me. The treatment of the last decade (plus) worth of cadets has been utterly appalling and nobody involved in recruitment has the guts to honor their commitments to these cadets.
What commitment? These pilots were never guaranteed jobs with QF.

Perhaps during the years sitting in an air-conditioned regional jet/turboprop they forgot that that they still had to compete with "real-world" candidates and just dropped the ball.

No sympathy.
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Old 9th Oct 2016, 00:43
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Fog buster,
Probably the first taste of real world experience for these ex cadets to be bypassed.
The ones that were given the first go at the cherry should be grateful. The recruitment process should have been opened up industry wide from the beginning.
Merit based........lol.
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Old 9th Oct 2016, 11:52
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Anyone get the feeling qf are trying to do their recruiting inside of Australia only?
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Old 9th Oct 2016, 12:10
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Originally Posted by Jc31 View Post
Anyone get the feeling qf are trying to do their recruiting inside of Australia only?
Yeah ek dont want em poaching so sent a memo to hr
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Old 9th Oct 2016, 12:32
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Originally Posted by Jc31 View Post
Anyone get the feeling qf are trying to do their recruiting inside of Australia only?
Lol. Thanks for the giggle.

Arearuleace, at the end of the day you have to make a decision on how to approach this and be comfortable with the outcome. Personally it doesn't bother me- although it'd make sense for you to have an answer prepare were you to be asked at interview about it- but I've no idea as to whether the respective recruiting systems are that closely linked to even be aware. If they were the next question is how it's viewed by the HR boffins that do the initial screening prior to the assessment Center. I'm not sure anyone on PPRuNe can answer either of those questions for you.

Someone asked when the next DE course is. I'm not sure there will be an all DE course. More likely their will be hybrid courses of trainee S/Os from group sunsidiaries as well as DE courses. Given the lead times I suspect early next year ( Feb is best guess) is likely to be the first external applicants to be on course. Of course, if we bleed the subsidiaries too quickly perhaps they'll put on a fluke of external DE courses to ease the burden for a short time but the preference has been stated publicly to take group pilots first.

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Old 9th Oct 2016, 23:03
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... some even have commands yet were deemed unsuitable to sit in the back of an A330. Further insult to injury when they were told not to reapply for a year!
I suspect the answer is hidden in the text of your outburst.

Qantas Mainline has no interest in employing A330 second officers, they are interested in employing future Captains.

Most pilots employed by Qantas, stay in Qantas for the duration of their career.

And, to their credit, they haven't said "no, never" - they've said take 12 months and sort your shit out.

I don't have any issue with that.
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Old 10th Oct 2016, 02:53
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Sorry for the thread drift, but why is QLink recruiting pilots from Canada? Is there not enough young guys and girls in Australian GA who want to progress to turbine/multi-crew?
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Old 10th Oct 2016, 03:59
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The paycheque on offer would be my best guess. I know a few guys who took other offers after being interviewed based on pay and bases and ended up with better gigs.
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Old 10th Oct 2016, 08:34
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QantasLink advertising outside of Australia is NOT Qantas.

Qantas does not operate Dash 8s. QantasLink operates heaps of them. They are two distinct and separate recruiting processes.
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Old 10th Oct 2016, 08:57
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The recruitment process should have been opened up industry wide from the beginning. Merit based........lol.
hotnhigh - I can't quite understand your logic here. The cadets had been through the Qantas recruiting process before, and as such Qantas had invested time and money into them. In some ways they were already a 'Qantas product' and therefore of course Qantas is going to look at them first before recruiting afresh.

They subsequently made them resit the recruiting process because of the time elapsed and in a display of genuine integrity some were deemed not suitable. That does show people are recruited on merit based performance.

If you don't understand that of course Qantas is going to start with the cadets who had previously been successfully recruited then I suggest you take a breath and rethink it.
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Old 10th Oct 2016, 09:48
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Hi.


A friend of mine who is a pansexual, gender fluid Otherkin is keen to apply but (as seems to be a common theme amongst overseas cadets!), falls agonizingly short of the required PIC time.


Ze does astral travel on a regular basis and during such journeys says that they experience a dimension whereby they do engage in an operation that lets them log PIC time.


While ze doubts that they could include this as PIC time, I guess the biggest question ze has is whether or not designated safe spaces are allocated on board the long haul aircraft Quantas operate?


Any help or advice is much appreciated
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Old 10th Oct 2016, 11:19
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We're a bit off a full moon yet. Come back next week Compy
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Old 10th Oct 2016, 11:45
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Keep it real.
The whole point is the recruitment process isn't a recruitment process, it's a culling process. Merit is difficult to quantify, Qantas has no allegiances to any particular group of pilots. If It was, then of course the ex cadets would all be placed accordingly. And because of this, it must be remembered the process is there to take out or eliminate candidates.
My reference to ex cadets was so they are fully aware of the process.
They will be very lucky to be given another opportunity within a year. It's a deep deep pool that is available to Qf. They wil cull whoever and however. Sadly, good and bad will miss out and good and bad will be successful.
Unfortunately, in this day and age of hr processes, recruitment cannot occur with a chat and afternoon at the pub. Much more revealing in the real word.
I wish all success in their endeavours.
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