Qantas Recruitment
Hi DirectAnywhere,
Get a strong feeling that you're being sarcastic. The contact with People Services was genuine. Not trying to cut anyone's lunch.
Simply put, QF are using twin aisle aircraft because they have a lack of 737 crew. Add to the equation that here I am with a type rating, and the equation I can see is mutually beneficial for both parties.
Are you able to paste the clause please? I don't have access to the EBA.
Thanks,
737p nf
Get a strong feeling that you're being sarcastic. The contact with People Services was genuine. Not trying to cut anyone's lunch.
Simply put, QF are using twin aisle aircraft because they have a lack of 737 crew. Add to the equation that here I am with a type rating, and the equation I can see is mutually beneficial for both parties.
Are you able to paste the clause please? I don't have access to the EBA.
Thanks,
737p nf
I think you can read between the lines here.
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RC - thanks for your genuine response.
To the others, stop eating so many lemons. You're too sour for your own good.
"The contact...was genuine."
"Not trying to cut anyone's lunch [just trying to understand the process a little better]."
To the others, stop eating so many lemons. You're too sour for your own good.
"The contact...was genuine."
"Not trying to cut anyone's lunch [just trying to understand the process a little better]."
You can say that but the very act is actually cutting our lunch
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Hardly cutting our lunch given how low the uptake is for B737 FO!
One of the reasons the training system is so broken is the retraining and overtraining of pilots who are often already qualified.
One of the reasons the training system is so broken is the retraining and overtraining of pilots who are often already qualified.
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with a statement like that, you have no idea what constitutes the operational standards required for an airline.
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When Qf recruits pilots to mainline, those who are recruited are TOLD on which fleet they are going to start. Desires as opposed to entitlements are considered. Weight is given to experience where there is a choice. If for some reason not enough of the already employed pilots bid for B737 F/O, then someone will be assigned. If there are pilots in their first 18 months of service, they will be just TOLD. In order to avoid accusations of unfairness reverse seniority is usually used but it is not an entitlement.If there is no-one in their first 18 months of service, then reverse order of seniority is used. To the best of my knowledge there has always been a willing bidder. Why not?
DE B 737 F/Os is fanciful IMHO.
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I didn't say, but yes, it was as an FO, not direct entry captain.
I also apologised in the beginning and said I wasn't an avid follower of the thread.
I also apologised in the beginning and said I wasn't an avid follower of the thread.
Yet there are pilots being offered B737 FO on joining. Now sure, maybe technically they are hired as an SO and then given 737 FO on day 2 of employment but to all intents and purposes it is a direct entry 737 FO position. I certainly wouldn't be applying to QF and expecting to get an FO slot but it's been happening.
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Yes it’s happened before. Right time, right place for those that scored it in the first half of this calendar year. Not sure it’s happened since June when the training slots for 18/19 were promulgated and the training pathways mapped out for the S/Os who’ve been allocated a slot and are awaiting their training course.
There is now no training capacity for a new S/O to go direct to a 737 F/O course given the allocations that have just been done. Not saying it won’t happen again but if it occurs it’s unlikely to be before the first half of 2019- once those currently employed by the airline and have an allocated courses actually start them.
There is now no training capacity for a new S/O to go direct to a 737 F/O course given the allocations that have just been done. Not saying it won’t happen again but if it occurs it’s unlikely to be before the first half of 2019- once those currently employed by the airline and have an allocated courses actually start them.
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Yet there are pilots being offered B737 FO on joining. Now sure, maybe technically they are hired as an SO and then given 737 FO on day 2 of employment but to all intents and purposes it is a direct entry 737 FO position. I certainly wouldn't be applying to QF and expecting to get an FO slot but it's been happening.
Desires as opposed to entitlements
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Yet there are pilots being offered B737 FO on joining. Now sure, maybe technically they are hired as an SO and then given 737 FO on day 2 of employment but to all intents and purposes it is a direct entry 737 FO position. I certainly wouldn't be applying to QF and expecting to get an FO slot but it's been happening.
Desires as opposed to entitlements
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What do you say about Section 20 of EBA9?
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Yes and allocations are dealt with in section 19 and don’t mention 737. I’m not sure but think the fair work act may come into effect about forcing people between contracts, something I haven’t looked at.
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You have to read section 16,17,19,20 and the Integration Agreement all together.
You better hope you are not in the firing line for an assignment to the B737 if you are longhaul. If you are you will have a good old fight on your hands to win your point. Good luck.
