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Old 18th Jun 2018, 19:30
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Anyone know the average time to get onto a 73 at the moment after joining with previous jet experience? And chances of getting MEL are?

Cheers in advance folks.
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 22:02
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In the latest round Brooke who joined around October got Melbourne 73 slots for training later this year.
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 23:58
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MEL 737 F/O was the most junior position in the recently released training slots for the next 12 months.

I don't have a current seniority list, but I would suggest it's currently under 12 months from joining to an F/O spot on the 737 in Melbourne. This may change rapidly.

Although Perth has traditionally been the most junior base, Keg opined elsewhere that the reason MEL may be more junior now is base balancing. ie. the company can't find the F/Os wanting to become Captains they need who are willing to go to Perth so there's no point sending a bunch of F/Os to Perth if there's no-one to fly with. Makes sense to this casual observer as the most junior 737 command in Perth was about 80 numbers junior to the most junior in Melbourne.

It's either that or they reckon they've got the numbers right in Perth as the Network flying starts to expand.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 00:18
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
I don't have a current seniority list, but I would suggest it's currently under 12 months from joining to an F/O spot on the 737 in Melbourne. This may change rapidly
For better with residual training slots or worse with the traffic jam in the training department?
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 00:34
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post

Although Perth has traditionally been the most junior base, Keg opined elsewhere that the reason MEL may be more junior now is base balancing. ie. the company can't find the F/Os wanting to become Captains they need who are willing to go to Perth so there's no point sending a bunch of F/Os to Perth if there's no-one to fly with. Makes sense to this casual observer as the most junior 737 command in Perth was about 80 numbers junior to the most junior in Melbourne.

It's either that or they reckon they've got the numbers right in Perth as the Network flying starts to expand.
Close but other way around. Lack of S/Os bidding for PER 737 F/O. They’ve got people bidding for PER 737 Captain.

I don’t rule out a bit of your last point though. What will tell the tale is if the number of 737 crew overnighting in PER increases.



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Old 19th Jun 2018, 13:13
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Cheers for the quick replies!

So the current procedure is to apply as an S/O then bid for a 73 position and base? Or would QF take a direct entry 73 F/O?
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 22:13
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You would have to join as a S/O and then bid for a promotion accordingly. There are no DEFOs or DECs to mainline.

The only time time I recall it happening was post Ansett collapse in 2001 and I believe that was for a specified period in rank only.

If if you havenít applied yet though - sounds like you havenít - you might be waiting a while from here. Theyíve just really started processing another 500 applicants after rejecting another few hundred.
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 00:16
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Anybody heard anything after the last round of Psycho testing?
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 10:59
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Hey Strutter - I'm still waiting to hear after doing the psycho testing as an external applicant. Confidence is low though, found the testing pretty tricky! Good luck!
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 23:35
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
If if you haven’t applied yet though - sounds like you haven’t - you might be waiting a while from here. They’ve just really started processing another 500 applicants after rejecting another few hundred.
500 went to psychometric testing? Out of all the people I know that applied this round, ranging from TP FO's through to Jet captains, only one person got through to psychometric testing, most got the "Your application is not progressing for the the Second Officer role, but other companies in the group are interested and will be in touch" email.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 01:08
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Welcome to ‘recruit to group’. Funnily enough I haven’t heard of a single internal NOT getting an interview. Things are certainly changing for the better within the QANTAS group and they are realising looking after the employees they already have and offering career progression will pay dividends long term.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 01:55
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‘Pay dividends’? Depends on what outcome you are seeking as to whether you view the dividend being paid as a good thing or not. I’m all for offering a pathway for those within the group but if the result of that is a more capable pilot misses out from externally and we take someone less capable (but still ‘suitable’) internally then that’s may not be the best outcome for mainline in the long term.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 02:00
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Hi Keg

I 100% agree with you but as we all know it was the other way around for the last couple decades where it was an ‘unwritten rule’ that if you wanted to join QF go to Rex, if you wanted VA join Qlink. Imagine how many good guys they missed out on from the internals due to this policy. Works both ways.....
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 02:13
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Isnít that where QF will Ďtrainí the less capable pilot to the appropriate standard?

At the moment capability isnít helping employ you, itís whether you tick all the HR focused boxes. Many a capable pilot have been turned down to not demonstrating a HR focused response in the interview.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 02:21
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Originally Posted by betterluckythangood View Post
Hey Strutter - I'm still waiting to hear after doing the psycho testing as an external applicant. Confidence is low though, found the testing pretty tricky! Good luck!
Yes, you and I both found it pretty tricky! Goodluck!
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 03:05
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The dark arts should be an ATPL subject ;-)
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 07:16
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
ĎPay dividendsí? Depends on what outcome you are seeking as to whether you view the dividend being paid as a good thing or not. Iím all for offering a pathway for those within the group but if the result of that is a more capable pilot misses out from externally and we take someone less capable (but still Ďsuitableí) internally then thatís may not be the best outcome for mainline in the long term.
There is an implied assumption here that HR-controlled pilot recruitment at QF mainline hires the most capable candidate.

Once upon a time perhaps....but I think most of us can see that this is not necessarily or consistently the case in these days of HR mumbo jumbo!

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Old 29th Jun 2018, 19:47
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WannabeBiggles, Keg will have a better idea of the numbers, but the word was that in the applications that closed recently there were roughly 800 applicants to mainline of whom some 300 were deemed uncompetitive at the application stage for whatever reason, leaving 500 for stage two.
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Old 30th Jun 2018, 10:13
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Originally Posted by Popgun View Post
There is an implied assumption here that HR-controlled pilot recruitment at QF mainline hires the most capable candidate.

Once upon a time perhaps....but I think most of us can see that this is not necessarily or consistently the case in these days of HR mumbo jumbo!

PG
I would suggest in the history of pilot recruitment, NEVER could it be said that consistently are the most capable candidates hired.

Are you are implying that beacause some great guys and girls are missing out because of HR oddities, that somehow those that are successful are, by virtue of the fact that HR have liked them, not able to be considered as competent?

Those that have been successful to date put their application in early, realised they would have to play the game to progress and prepared themselves as best they could to make it so. Some went through, some didn’t.

Qantas, along with every other airline and even the ADF have been guilty of overlooking some tremendously capable people over the journey, while at the same time allowing some people you wouldn’t perhaps place in the same category to slip through. This isn’t a new development.

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Old 1st Jul 2018, 04:57
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Qantas, along with every other airline and even the ADF have been guilty of overlooking some tremendously capable people over the journey
One does wonder what they look for in a candidate, three folks received rejections recently having 7k hours, single pilot IMC in the most challenging conditions to be found in Oz. Over qualified, or a fear that they would have to unlearn many ingrained habits?
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