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True FYSTI, But I think the thing that gets up people’s nose is the exaggeratd stories of how rubbish it must be in Shorthaul based on stories told on Longhaul flight decks. Most of the stuff I’ve heard about shorthaul is pretty much crap. I’ve lived both sides, twice so I think I’ve got a pretty good idea of what each one offers. I agree with knobby on pretty much everything. If you don’t want to fly shorthaul, cool, but don’t get on here and tell us how crap it must be. You may have been here and had a bad time. Fair enough. We all want the 5 day Tahiti slips, but life has moved on, and they are not coming back.
Yes we are working hard. And when you’re at the bottom of the rotating seniority it’s less than optimal (but even then it’s better then looking at the Pacific Ocean in the middle of the night) But we get paid for that hard work. And I’m making more as a 737 captain than I was when I was “ the pinnacle of FO jobs” when I was in Longhaul. So can we stop this rubbish about how crap it is, and let people make their assessement based on truth, real life experiences and numbers. If after that, You want no part of it, great.
i would love everybody to get a job in this outfit, so that everyone could have the choice, but many are not getting that chance. Good luck to all.
Yes we are working hard. And when you’re at the bottom of the rotating seniority it’s less than optimal (but even then it’s better then looking at the Pacific Ocean in the middle of the night) But we get paid for that hard work. And I’m making more as a 737 captain than I was when I was “ the pinnacle of FO jobs” when I was in Longhaul. So can we stop this rubbish about how crap it is, and let people make their assessement based on truth, real life experiences and numbers. If after that, You want no part of it, great.
i would love everybody to get a job in this outfit, so that everyone could have the choice, but many are not getting that chance. Good luck to all.
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I don't think so, Tim /AlBorland
Also, HOBO is not trying to fix the long assed 4 sector 11:45 days. If they were they would've been fixed a decade ago....
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Nicely said Sandypalms.
Having done both twice as well I’d agree there are Pluses and minuses to both.
The BS goes both ways too. Plenty of SH pilots saying that LH is all time off in the bunk and days off.
They forget that nearly 90% of flying is at night, in the wrong time zone and it’s f&$# long tours of duty. You don’t always get a break when your ready to sleep either. When your ready for bed that’s usually wake up call.PER/LHR is close to 20 hour TOD all night.
The longest LH trips are ten consecutive days away which is a long time away from family. Often takes you 4 days to somewhat recover from the jetlag and then your back into it again often without having recovered. Hard to do with kids! Something that those in the street or the office forget.
More likely they avoid it by being in the office. With many retirements due in years to come people will soon get to where they want to be a lot quicker than they imagined. I’m Sick of the morons perpetuating us and them. It’s ruining all our collective futures.
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Having done both twice as well I’d agree there are Pluses and minuses to both.
The BS goes both ways too. Plenty of SH pilots saying that LH is all time off in the bunk and days off.
They forget that nearly 90% of flying is at night, in the wrong time zone and it’s f&$# long tours of duty. You don’t always get a break when your ready to sleep either. When your ready for bed that’s usually wake up call.PER/LHR is close to 20 hour TOD all night.
The longest LH trips are ten consecutive days away which is a long time away from family. Often takes you 4 days to somewhat recover from the jetlag and then your back into it again often without having recovered. Hard to do with kids! Something that those in the street or the office forget.
More likely they avoid it by being in the office. With many retirements due in years to come people will soon get to where they want to be a lot quicker than they imagined. I’m Sick of the morons perpetuating us and them. It’s ruining all our collective futures.
Rather than Whinge on here join the Committee and try to make a difference.
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FYSTI, No I definitely agree with you regarding the rostering practises of the last 2 years, and particularly the multiple cabin crew, pilot , aircraft changes happening with min turnarounds within the last year, it’s completely ridiculous, and I notice they aren’t harping on about the on time schedules lately, because at least 60% of flights I’m on are late these days.
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eeerrrrmmmm??
I don't think so, Tim /AlBorland
Also, HOBO is not trying to fix the long assed 4 sector 11:45 days. If they were they would've been fixed a decade ago....
Who cares what people think about SH, enjoy what you will I do
I don't think so, Tim /AlBorland
Also, HOBO is not trying to fix the long assed 4 sector 11:45 days. If they were they would've been fixed a decade ago....
Who cares what people think about SH, enjoy what you will
I do
You might want to read the post again, in the context it was written. I was comparing the SH workload with the Qlink Turboprop workload, which has been (more or less) 19-20 days flying per roster, averaging four sectors per day. It's been that (mostly) since 2014, was like that when I left late last year, and is apparently still like that.
If your SH workload has been similar to that since 2014 then I apologise, otherwise I'll stand by my "fairly recent" comment. Don't forget the other part of my post. A 10 year Dash Captain doing those hours earns around 150-160k.
I have no idea who "Tim" or "Al Borland" is. Certainly not me. I quit Qlink late last year; NOT to go to any other part of the Q group.
Sykes, you need to watch more TV and find out who Tim the Toolman Taylor is .
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LOL! Didn't watch "Home Improvement" much when it was on, and not for well over 10 years. No idea about the reference. I'll assume it was meant to be something about something.
Hahaha mate no sweat
Just putting it out there, I know the turboprop crews are hard working.
Right now I think most are
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In terms of experience they're looking for, in the latest round of recruitment, I understand folks with 4000hrs turboprop command time were considered not competetive enough. Meanwhile folks with less total time and some jet airliner experience (albeit SO time) got invited to first stage testing. Not to say this trend will be followed next time (whenever that is).
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It's hard to say when the next intake will be given they've just had one and there's still folks from the first intake that are still yet to get start dates.
In terms of experience they're looking for, in the latest round of recruitment, I understand folks with 4000hrs turboprop command time were considered not competetive enough. Meanwhile folks with less total time and some jet airliner experience (albeit SO time) got invited to first stage testing. Not to say this trend will be followed next time (whenever that is).
Hope this helps.
In terms of experience they're looking for, in the latest round of recruitment, I understand folks with 4000hrs turboprop command time were considered not competetive enough. Meanwhile folks with less total time and some jet airliner experience (albeit SO time) got invited to first stage testing. Not to say this trend will be followed next time (whenever that is).
Hope this helps.
Anything they’re secretly looking for? Multi crew experience, instructors, age bracket?
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There are also guys with less than 1500TT that got in, so how are guys with 4000 hours not competitive based off a CV?
Anything they’re secretly looking for? Multi crew experience, instructors, age bracket?
Anything they’re secretly looking for? Multi crew experience, instructors, age bracket?
Whether Qantas admit to it or not, there is a bias against internals. So if the 4000 hour guy is from Qlink, then it's going to be harder, esp. if he's a Captain.
Time will tell if I go any further......
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For those feeling stunned by the online testing, don't sweat it. They're designed to be highly discriminatory. If you found them easy then you're either a freaking genius or you've not done as well as you thought you have. You also may not have done the same test someone else as the questions get harder depending on the aptitude you demonstrate along the way.
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Keg, your own words give it away:
I'm not talking about Network, J*, or Cobham. Just Turboprop.
Anyway, how would you know? You're seeing it from the mainline side. I saw it from the Turboprop side. When Qlink pilots applied to airlines like Cathay and Emirates the acceptance rate was well over 95%. Only TWO Qlink pilots were unsuccessful (one at each). Compared with Qantas, where only 51% of the Qlink pilots were successful. Qantas feedback saying why pilots were unsuccessful into mainline included "Sitting too aggressively at the interview" and "Not having enough customer focus" (both told to Captains).
One third of the 2008/2009 Cadets were told "no" when they re-applied a few years ago. These were people who'd already been accepted into mainline and were waiting for start dates back then, many of them were also Captains. The ONLY reason that Qlink pilots were made eligible AT ALL was to slow down the outpouring of Turboprop guys and girls to other airlines.
There are pilots at Qlink who were successful at their Qantas interviews TWO YEARS AGO who are still at Qlink because their start dates are still later this year.
New pilots joining Qlink are told that they're not allowed to apply for other Qantas group positions for at least two years.
No, no bias against them at all...
QLink pilots (and other internal candidates) are being recruited into mainline in numbers that far exceed their ratio of total applicants.
Anyway, how would you know? You're seeing it from the mainline side. I saw it from the Turboprop side. When Qlink pilots applied to airlines like Cathay and Emirates the acceptance rate was well over 95%. Only TWO Qlink pilots were unsuccessful (one at each). Compared with Qantas, where only 51% of the Qlink pilots were successful. Qantas feedback saying why pilots were unsuccessful into mainline included "Sitting too aggressively at the interview" and "Not having enough customer focus" (both told to Captains).
One third of the 2008/2009 Cadets were told "no" when they re-applied a few years ago. These were people who'd already been accepted into mainline and were waiting for start dates back then, many of them were also Captains. The ONLY reason that Qlink pilots were made eligible AT ALL was to slow down the outpouring of Turboprop guys and girls to other airlines.
There are pilots at Qlink who were successful at their Qantas interviews TWO YEARS AGO who are still at Qlink because their start dates are still later this year.
New pilots joining Qlink are told that they're not allowed to apply for other Qantas group positions for at least two years.
No, no bias against them at all...