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Old 28th Jan 2018, 23:47
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And after they've studied for the aptitude test maybe they can brush up on their customer service skills on how to manage a restaurant when shit hits the fan...
That's not a joke either, folks. It also gives you an idea of the mental understanding the people who 'run' the airline actually have of what an airline really does. Qf pilots got an email a few years ago explaining how to identify a 747!

If it were me (and I'm pretty confident I wouldn't get in) I would -LOVE- to question the questioner as to what restaurant/business experience they actually have, and in fact have they ever even owned, run or managed said business. IE: given their provable lack of experience in those types of matters, what the hell are they doing asking absolutely stupid questions they have no personal idea of the 'right' answer to?

I suspect it's partly about choosing 100% yes men* who will swallow drivel from their incompetent managers without question. And that is EXACTLY the sort of person I would NOT want in the LH seat on an aircraft I was travelling on, and unlike an HR drone, I DO know what I'm talking about.

*Being slightly facetious I suspect women only need be 10% yes men (lesbians even less so) given current attitudes to gender equality at QF.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 01:40
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If you are going in for an interview it may be helpful to know that the restaurant scenario posed by the HR person at the interview is all about how you manage multiple issues at the same time. This comes straight from one of the pilots who sits on the recruiting panels. So itís good information.
If it helps to make it more Aviation related just change the word restaurant for A380, Jumbo, 777, SAAB, Metro etc.
Change the term Restaurant Manager to Aircraft Captain.
The fussy customer is now a disgruntled passenger. The waiter with an attitude is now a flight attendant etc etc.

The questions are just to see how you will manage the situations that are being given to you. No different to being a pilot on whatever aeroplane you fly now in whichever seat you find yourself in. As a copilot, when the Captain falls over you are going to have to step up and take control of the situation.

Best of luck to everyone whoís applying. Iíve been told that recruitment will continue for a long time to come.










Originally Posted by V-Jet
That's not a joke either, folks. It also gives you an idea of the mental understanding the people who 'run' the airline actually have of what an airline really does. Qf pilots got an email a few years ago explaining how to identify a 747!

If it were me (and I'm pretty confident I wouldn't get in) I would -LOVE- to question the questioner as to what restaurant/business experience they actually have, and in fact have they ever even owned, run or managed said business. IE: given their provable lack of experience in those types of matters, what the hell are they doing asking absolutely stupid questions they have no personal idea of the 'right' answer to?

I suspect it's partly about choosing 100% yes men* who will swallow drivel from their incompetent managers without question. And that is EXACTLY the sort of person I would NOT want in the LH seat on an aircraft I was travelling on, and unlike an HR drone, I DO know what I'm talking about.

*Being slightly facetious I suspect women only need be 10% yes men (lesbians even less so) given current attitudes to gender equality at QF.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 02:21
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Originally Posted by A/F Armed
If you are going in for an interview it may be helpful to know that the restaurant scenario posed by the HR person at the interview is all about how you manage multiple issues at the same time. This comes straight from one of the pilots who sits on the recruiting panels. So itís good information.
If it helps to make it more Aviation related just change the word restaurant for A380, Jumbo, 777, SAAB, Metro etc.
Change the term Restaurant Manager to Aircraft Captain.
The fussy customer is now a disgruntled passenger. The waiter with an attitude is now a flight attendant etc etc.

The questions are just to see how you will manage the situations that are being given to you. No different to being a pilot on whatever aeroplane you fly now in whichever seat you find yourself in. As a copilot, when the Captain falls over you are going to have to step up and take control of the situation.

Best of luck to everyone whoís applying. Iíve been told that recruitment will continue for a long time to come.
And here in lies the real problem with modern interviewing. They're giving you a scenario which can be viewed as similar to how you'd handle issues as a pilot but a lot of people may not see it that way.

Why do it like this?

It's not right but until someone with a background in the particular role (ie pilots) takes back control of recruitment then nothing will change unfortunately.
I suspect that if that question were aviation based and not on a hypothetical restaurant they'd get more successful candidates.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 08:54
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The announcement shortly of another 12 more 787 orders should keep the recruitment going along nicely.👍👍👍
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 09:41
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Originally Posted by dragon man
The announcement shortly of another 12 more 787 orders should keep the recruitment going along nicely.👍👍👍
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Never forget, in pax terms 20 x 787ís is only 10 x 747/380ís. More of which have been and are scheduled to be retired. This is straight out of the 1944/5 Wehrmacht plan for European domination. As far as recruitment goes, it IS good news, and that has to be said. Unfortunately itís because so many people at the top end have had enough of the bullshit and will be saying FU in no uncertain terms. Sadly, this will only enforce the Group Think at management level that all pilots are idiots. As recruits will very soon learn, Qf management is the wealthiest and at least level best (Iíd argue far exceeding) the Ďbestí worst in the entire world! Their ineptness knows no bounds.

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Old 30th Jan 2018, 09:44
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If sitting in the back watching someone else do all the good stuff and you only aspire to work at QF, then by all means... remember it's SO time in your logbook.

Your mates or colleagues who did not want QF or could not get a job at QF will be logging FO time on 737/A320.

Which insurance policy out of the two options would you consider the best bet?

Speaking from life experience I guess.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 09:47
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Originally Posted by "Littlebird"
If sitting in the back watching someone else do all the good stuff and you only aspire to work at QF, then by all means... remember it's SO time in your logbook.

Your mates or colleagues who did not want QF or could not get a job at QF will be logging FO time on 737/A320.

Which insurance policy out of the two options would you consider the best bet?

Speaking from life experience I guess.
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By the time that recruit is bored doing the same again waiting for the 40yo captains to move on they'll be 737FOs with a little time to get to that point so....

Whatever works
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 13:44
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Originally Posted by "Littlebird"
If sitting in the back watching someone else do all the good stuff and you only aspire to work at QF, then by all means... remember it's SO time in your logbook.

Your mates or colleagues who did not want QF or could not get a job at QF will be logging FO time on 737/A320.

Which insurance policy out of the two options would you consider the best bet?

Speaking from life experience I guess.
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Moot point these days, with quick (1-2 year) 737 F/O upgrades available to those who want them and for those who wish to stay in the back seat, they can. All on very decent terms and conditions, which are more favourable than anything else in this country.

Itís why QF remains the first choice for the majority of airline candidates in Australia these days.

(Also) Speaking from life experience I guess.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 15:24
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Originally Posted by dragon man
The announcement shortly of another 12 more 787 orders should keep the recruitment going along nicely.������
Lol. That number is bouncing around a fair bit. I’ve heard 6. I’ve heard 8. Now I’ve heard 12.

I think of the options we ordered years ago, 8 have fixed dates in FY19/20. After that I don’t think we have any fixed date options left and need to find space in the Boeing delivery schedule. Half yearly results are out at the end of February. Announce the good news, how great the 787 is going, and order a few more. Fingers crossed.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 22:50
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Got to remember that ultimately there are more 747s to be retired.
So whilst itís welcome news itís better to keep it in perspective.
Hopefully some Asian flying gets announced for it too.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 02:12
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Never forget, in pax terms 20 x 787ís is only 10 x 747/380ís
I certainly will forget that part about the 787 Vs 747 as it is grossly incorrect.
In pax terms there are over 1000 more seats on 20 787's than 10 747's. The ratio is more like 3:2 than 2:1.

Besides, given this is about pilot numbers, replacing 1 aircraft with 2 requires twice as many pilots which would be a fantastic outcome!
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 03:12
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Any word as to when recruitment is expected to recommence?
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 05:19
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how long does the hold file run at the moment, i've heard 6 months
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 07:07
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
I certainly will forget that part about the 787 Vs 747 as it is grossly incorrect.
In pax terms there are over 1000 more seats on 20 787's than 10 747's. The ratio is more like 3:2 than 2:1.

Besides, given this is about pilot numbers, replacing 1 aircraft with 2 requires twice as many pilots which would be a fantastic outcome!
Which is why I included 380ís. Broad brush, I was back of envelope accurate. Where I wholeheartedly agree with you is pilot numbers. What concerns me is massive downsizing of the airline.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 23:00
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From reliable sources, for those hungry for information.

Recruiting is due to commence again in February.

155 on hold file as at December. Expect 10-20 each month with figures of 200 pilots required in calendar year 2018.

Obviously those that apply early this year are unlikely to start before the 155 already on hold so probably wonít start until October-ish.
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 00:13
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Obviously those that apply early this year are unlikely to start before the 155 already on hold so probably wonít start until October-ish.
I don't believe the 155 say, get called up before any newer candidates.
You could go through recruitment now and be offered to possibly start in a few weeks.
My understanding is the best "ranked" candidates will get called up first.
You could in theory sit on hold indefinitely if other candidates keep turning up that perform better than you.
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 02:16
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Originally Posted by kookaburra
I don't believe the 155 say, get called up before any newer candidates.
You could go through recruitment now and be offered to possibly start in a few weeks.
My understanding is the best "ranked" candidates will get called up first.
You could in theory sit on hold indefinitely if other candidates keep turning up that perform better than you.
Possibly, and thatís how it was done in the past. With HR turning the whole process upside down then who knows for certain. What I posted above is what Iíve been told by those who are in a position to know for certain.

Is your understanding from a reliable source, or just a gut feeling based on what happened last time? If the latter, then I suggest youíre wrong.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:32
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From Alan Joyce
So, Iím pleased to announce plans for the Qantas Group Pilot Academy.
We want to attract men and women Ė ideally, in equal numbers Ė to be the next generation of pilots on our network. To learn from the best. And to be the best.
Initially, the academy will train about 100 pilots per year. But, over time, we see potential for it grow Ė and be a centre of excellence in the Southern Hemisphere, with up to 500 pilots per year
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:37
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From Alan Joyce
So, Iím pleased to announce plans for the Qantas Group Pilot Academy.
We want to attract men and women Ė ideally, in equal numbers Ė to be the next generation of pilots on our network. To learn from the best. And to be the best.
Initially, the academy will train about 100 pilots per year. But, over time, we see potential for it grow Ė and be a centre of excellence in the Southern Hemisphere, with up to 500 pilots per year
Pity Australia doesnít have the ATP requirement to fly airline ops like in the USA. There goes some of your bargaining power.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:55
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Pity Australia doesnít have the ATP requirement to fly airline ops like in the USA. There goes some of your bargaining power.
The lead time for this sort of programme is at least 3-5 years. Qantas had better pull itís finger out. The rate of projected retirements is averaging 60-100 per year in the next few years and increasing after that. If 100 senior pilots retire it requires close to 500 training slots as pilots progress up the promotion ladder. Theyíd better hurry up but judging by past performance the implementation gate will be missed. Together with a fleet renewal and retirement requirement the perfect storm is brewing with the Training sections being stretched for the foreseeable future. Most current Captains on the 380 and 747 have probably 5-8 years before they pull the pin.
Either way it will be great to see a new generation continue with a flying career.
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