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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 00:15
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The latest A330 FO SYD positions were awarded to pilots with 15 years seniority.

QF now has two airlines: a senior east coast one, and a junior west coast one.
But the A330 FO PER are also not for off that ruprecht (12 years). The 737 is a different story on both coasts. The most junior 737 FO MEL position went to a JULY 2017 start date.

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Old 24th Oct 2017, 08:48
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737 FO

How hard do the domestic 737 guys work? Duty hours or flight time? Days away?
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 08:57
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Originally Posted by Stiff Under Carriage View Post
How hard do the domestic 737 guys work? Duty hours or flight time? Days away?
Right now? Lots!
Mid 900s for many.
But hey, even 380 guys are at max too...
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 02:18
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Does anybody know when the 'reapply in 12 months' starts from? When you first applied or when you got told thanks but no thanks...
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 02:52
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I always assumed it was from getting the no letter. In some cases you may have applied 12 months before getting the no which would mean you could reapply straight away which doesn't make much sense.

Write and ask.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 05:16
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Does anybody know when the 'reapply in 12 months' starts from? When you first applied or when you got told thanks but no thanks...
If you did not go to an Assessment Centre (i.e. "interview") in Sydney then the 12 months applies from the date on which applications closed.

If you attended an Assessment Centre then the twelve months commenced from a later date which I believe was the date on which you were notified that you had been unsuccessful.

By all means though, do not take my word for it; email them!
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 00:48
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If you attended an Assessment Centre then the twelve months commenced from a later date which I believe was the date on which you were notified that you had been unsuccessful.


FRQ is correct.


I did ask and that was the response. After missing out on the assessment day and not progressing to the sim I will re-apply in 12 months. It was a positive experience regardless.


Lots of very experienced people more suitably qualified than myself were also overlooked. It comes down to your performance on the day and mine was obviously sub par. Good luck to everyone applying.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 01:26
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Lots of very experienced people more suitably qualified than myself were also overlooked. It comes down to your performance on the day and mine was obviously sub par. Good luck to everyone applying.
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. You probably weren't "sub par", but more than likely just didn't tick some odd HR box.

They've certainly missed out on some really good people, and without sounding unpleasant, picked up a few who I'd have kept away from.

Wonderful world of HR
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 01:29
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Originally Posted by VHFRT View Post
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. You probably weren't "sub par", but more than likely just didn't tick some odd HR box.

They've certainly missed out on some really good people, and without sounding unpleasant, picked up a few who I'd have kept away from.

Wonderful world of HR
That may well be true (I don't know), but wouldn't be anything new.
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 04:10
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Rumours of late call ups to candidates in an attempt to beef up the November course?
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 07:25
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All has been very quiet lately..

What is the recruitment looking like for 2018?

From what I am hearing there is still a lot of people who are eagerly waiting for the applications to re-open after they missed out applying in 2016.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 00:08
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For all that are enduring the agony of the process.

Recruitment has been either farmed out or captured.
Airline pilots, even those creeping corridors have little sway in the decisions.
It is the same in Europe and Asia; the parasitic infection gets control and people who have spent a lot of time and expense acquiring the skill set are given scant regard. HR is in a battle for survival and control of recruiting ensures their survival.

Aviation skills, like lots of specialties are hard to obtain, they do have a convertible return on that investment. It is a game of patience, timing and indeed understanding.

Most of the pilots applying, like those who went before can't work out why it is so complicated, confusing and silent.

Complexity and opaqueness is by design. For it is complexity, control and confusion that gives HR relevance.

Do not lose heart, the demographic shortage which is prevalent in many countries and which Australia is beginning to witness will ensure that eventually even their self important crap generating not an ounce of revenue is gently moved aside as airlines realise that getting pilots is akin to generating operating revenue.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 09:20
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We can only hope so Rated De
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 11:48
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QF will realise during the next round of recruitment that the supply is not endless. Many will still be waiting out their 12 months before they can reapply. Some that made it to the sim.
Here is one for you all as I know you all enjoy the metrics.
I recently met with 5 applicants that missed out after the QF sim. All 5 met the Cathay and Cathay Dragon standard. All of them had also made it with Jetstar and Emirates. I believe their steep turns and/or intercepts were not up to the QF standard. Hilarious!
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 18:05
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LB,

The QF sim is one of the easiest recruitment sims I've done! Perhaps if the 5 applicants missed out after the QF sim, they simply didn't meet the standard? If they can't do a simple steep turn when the instructor tells you what attitude to use, or do a simple 30 degree ADF intercept then surely you could understand why QF passed on their application.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 21:49
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
LB,

The QF sim is one of the easiest recruitment sims I've done! Perhaps if the 5 applicants missed out after the QF sim, they simply didn't meet the standard? If they can't do a simple steep turn when the instructor tells you what attitude to use, or do a simple 30 degree ADF intercept then surely you could understand why QF passed on their application.
With that attitude, you'll get right along with all the other skygods. Just be sure to mention how amazing you are when you're in the back seat. Some people have waited 9 years for a go at that sim, so when the pressure is on, it's not surprising when they struggle. Doesn't help when you've been flying something completely different for the last decade (ie sidestick) either. Good luck to those reapplying - hopefully the tenacity will be recognised.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 22:05
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If you are going to struggle when the pressure is on, that may not bode well for getting the job. Cranky sense of entitlement won't help either.
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 02:39
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie View Post
With that attitude, you'll get right along with all the other skygods. Just be sure to mention how amazing you are when you're in the back seat. Some people have waited 9 years for a go at that sim, so when the pressure is on, it's not surprising when they struggle. Doesn't help when you've been flying something completely different for the last decade (ie sidestick) either. Good luck to those reapplying - hopefully the tenacity will be recognised.
The interviewer can only go on what is presented on the day. If you fluff the sim, you fluff the sim, simple as that. Excuses about 'sidestick' or whatever else you come up with have absolutely no relevance.

If your expectation that a poor sim performance shouldn't have bearing on the outcome of the interview process then explain to me what the point of the sim exercise is in the first place?
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 03:49
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A long long time ago, in a galaxy far away CurtainTwitcher had a conversation with a chief pilot in Asia and he told me an interesting story about a candidate and his sim ride.

Two years had elapsed since his airline had collapsed, and he hadn't flown since. The Chief Pilot decided to do the assessment sim himself, and expected a poor show, however he granted him the ride simply out of courtesy & respect for their shared history.

To his utter amazement he was blown away by the performance, the best he had seen, consisting of V1 cut, vectors for a single engine LOC approach, all RAW DATA, without being briefed beforehand.

In the debrief, he was quite concerned that the candidate was not being completely honest about his two years without flying and questioned further. It turned out that after the collapse, he decided to nurse his dying mother until she passed away. HOWEVER, during that time he kept up his skills on MS flight sim, with two hours a day practice, EVERY day with every complex IFR challenge he could dream up.

The Chief pilot accepted the explanation and immediately offered him the job.

The lesson of the story is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE the hard stuff in your own time at home to master the skill for when the pressure is on. Really, is there an excuse when the technology to do this is so cheap and readily available?
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 06:10
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie View Post
With that attitude, you'll get right along with all the other skygods. Just be sure to mention how amazing you are when you're in the back seat. Some people have waited 9 years for a go at that sim, so when the pressure is on, it's not surprising when they struggle. Doesn't help when you've been flying something completely different for the last decade (ie sidestick) either. Good luck to those reapplying - hopefully the tenacity will be recognised.
There is no attitude at all, just stating the facts.

Your reply screams self entitlement. Let me guess, an unsuccessful internal applicant from Jetstar?

What makes you think I haven't done hard years in GA?
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