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If you attended an Assessment Centre then the twelve months commenced from a later date which I believe was the date on which you were notified that you had been unsuccessful.
By all means though, do not take my word for it; email them!
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If you attended an Assessment Centre then the twelve months commenced from a later date which I believe was the date on which you were notified that you had been unsuccessful.
FRQ is correct.
I did ask and that was the response. After missing out on the assessment day and not progressing to the sim I will re-apply in 12 months. It was a positive experience regardless.
Lots of very experienced people more suitably qualified than myself were also overlooked. It comes down to your performance on the day and mine was obviously sub par. Good luck to everyone applying.
FRQ is correct.
I did ask and that was the response. After missing out on the assessment day and not progressing to the sim I will re-apply in 12 months. It was a positive experience regardless.
Lots of very experienced people more suitably qualified than myself were also overlooked. It comes down to your performance on the day and mine was obviously sub par. Good luck to everyone applying.
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They've certainly missed out on some really good people, and without sounding unpleasant, picked up a few who I'd have kept away from.
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I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. You probably weren't "sub par", but more than likely just didn't tick some odd HR box.
They've certainly missed out on some really good people, and without sounding unpleasant, picked up a few who I'd have kept away from.
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They've certainly missed out on some really good people, and without sounding unpleasant, picked up a few who I'd have kept away from.
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All has been very quiet lately..
What is the recruitment looking like for 2018?
From what I am hearing there is still a lot of people who are eagerly waiting for the applications to re-open after they missed out applying in 2016.
What is the recruitment looking like for 2018?
From what I am hearing there is still a lot of people who are eagerly waiting for the applications to re-open after they missed out applying in 2016.
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For all that are enduring the agony of the process.
Recruitment has been either farmed out or captured.
Airline pilots, even those creeping corridors have little sway in the decisions.
It is the same in Europe and Asia; the parasitic infection gets control and people who have spent a lot of time and expense acquiring the skill set are given scant regard. HR is in a battle for survival and control of recruiting ensures their survival.
Aviation skills, like lots of specialties are hard to obtain, they do have a convertible return on that investment. It is a game of patience, timing and indeed understanding.
Most of the pilots applying, like those who went before can't work out why it is so complicated, confusing and silent.
Complexity and opaqueness is by design. For it is complexity, control and confusion that gives HR relevance.
Do not lose heart, the demographic shortage which is prevalent in many countries and which Australia is beginning to witness will ensure that eventually even their self important crap generating not an ounce of revenue is gently moved aside as airlines realise that getting pilots is akin to generating operating revenue.
Recruitment has been either farmed out or captured.
Airline pilots, even those creeping corridors have little sway in the decisions.
It is the same in Europe and Asia; the parasitic infection gets control and people who have spent a lot of time and expense acquiring the skill set are given scant regard. HR is in a battle for survival and control of recruiting ensures their survival.
Aviation skills, like lots of specialties are hard to obtain, they do have a convertible return on that investment. It is a game of patience, timing and indeed understanding.
Most of the pilots applying, like those who went before can't work out why it is so complicated, confusing and silent.
Complexity and opaqueness is by design. For it is complexity, control and confusion that gives HR relevance.
Do not lose heart, the demographic shortage which is prevalent in many countries and which Australia is beginning to witness will ensure that eventually even their self important crap generating not an ounce of revenue is gently moved aside as airlines realise that getting pilots is akin to generating operating revenue.
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QF will realise during the next round of recruitment that the supply is not endless. Many will still be waiting out their 12 months before they can reapply. Some that made it to the sim.
Here is one for you all as I know you all enjoy the metrics.
I recently met with 5 applicants that missed out after the QF sim. All 5 met the Cathay and Cathay Dragon standard. All of them had also made it with Jetstar and Emirates. I believe their steep turns and/or intercepts were not up to the QF standard. Hilarious!
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Here is one for you all as I know you all enjoy the metrics.
I recently met with 5 applicants that missed out after the QF sim. All 5 met the Cathay and Cathay Dragon standard. All of them had also made it with Jetstar and Emirates. I believe their steep turns and/or intercepts were not up to the QF standard. Hilarious!
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LB,
The QF sim is one of the easiest recruitment sims I've done! Perhaps if the 5 applicants missed out after the QF sim, they simply didn't meet the standard? If they can't do a simple steep turn when the instructor tells you what attitude to use, or do a simple 30 degree ADF intercept then surely you could understand why QF passed on their application.
The QF sim is one of the easiest recruitment sims I've done! Perhaps if the 5 applicants missed out after the QF sim, they simply didn't meet the standard? If they can't do a simple steep turn when the instructor tells you what attitude to use, or do a simple 30 degree ADF intercept then surely you could understand why QF passed on their application.
LB,
The QF sim is one of the easiest recruitment sims I've done! Perhaps if the 5 applicants missed out after the QF sim, they simply didn't meet the standard? If they can't do a simple steep turn when the instructor tells you what attitude to use, or do a simple 30 degree ADF intercept then surely you could understand why QF passed on their application.
The QF sim is one of the easiest recruitment sims I've done! Perhaps if the 5 applicants missed out after the QF sim, they simply didn't meet the standard? If they can't do a simple steep turn when the instructor tells you what attitude to use, or do a simple 30 degree ADF intercept then surely you could understand why QF passed on their application.
With that attitude, you'll get right along with all the other skygods. Just be sure to mention how amazing you are when you're in the back seat. Some people have waited 9 years for a go at that sim, so when the pressure is on, it's not surprising when they struggle. Doesn't help when you've been flying something completely different for the last decade (ie sidestick) either. Good luck to those reapplying - hopefully the tenacity will be recognised.
If your expectation that a poor sim performance shouldn't have bearing on the outcome of the interview process then explain to me what the point of the sim exercise is in the first place?
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A long long time ago, in a galaxy far away CurtainTwitcher had a conversation with a chief pilot in Asia and he told me an interesting story about a candidate and his sim ride.
Two years had elapsed since his airline had collapsed, and he hadn't flown since. The Chief Pilot decided to do the assessment sim himself, and expected a poor show, however he granted him the ride simply out of courtesy & respect for their shared history.
To his utter amazement he was blown away by the performance, the best he had seen, consisting of V1 cut, vectors for a single engine LOC approach, all RAW DATA, without being briefed beforehand.
In the debrief, he was quite concerned that the candidate was not being completely honest about his two years without flying and questioned further. It turned out that after the collapse, he decided to nurse his dying mother until she passed away. HOWEVER, during that time he kept up his skills on MS flight sim, with two hours a day practice, EVERY day with every complex IFR challenge he could dream up.
The Chief pilot accepted the explanation and immediately offered him the job.
The lesson of the story is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE the hard stuff in your own time at home to master the skill for when the pressure is on. Really, is there an excuse when the technology to do this is so cheap and readily available?
Two years had elapsed since his airline had collapsed, and he hadn't flown since. The Chief Pilot decided to do the assessment sim himself, and expected a poor show, however he granted him the ride simply out of courtesy & respect for their shared history.
To his utter amazement he was blown away by the performance, the best he had seen, consisting of V1 cut, vectors for a single engine LOC approach, all RAW DATA, without being briefed beforehand.
In the debrief, he was quite concerned that the candidate was not being completely honest about his two years without flying and questioned further. It turned out that after the collapse, he decided to nurse his dying mother until she passed away. HOWEVER, during that time he kept up his skills on MS flight sim, with two hours a day practice, EVERY day with every complex IFR challenge he could dream up.
The Chief pilot accepted the explanation and immediately offered him the job.
The lesson of the story is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE the hard stuff in your own time at home to master the skill for when the pressure is on. Really, is there an excuse when the technology to do this is so cheap and readily available?
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With that attitude, you'll get right along with all the other skygods. Just be sure to mention how amazing you are when you're in the back seat. Some people have waited 9 years for a go at that sim, so when the pressure is on, it's not surprising when they struggle. Doesn't help when you've been flying something completely different for the last decade (ie sidestick) either. Good luck to those reapplying - hopefully the tenacity will be recognised.
Your reply screams self entitlement. Let me guess, an unsuccessful internal applicant from Jetstar?
What makes you think I haven't done hard years in GA?
To clarify, I've never flown an Airbus, nor do I work for JQ.
My response wasn't meant to come across as entitled, more as empathetic, so I'm sorry if it appeared that way. It's up to candidates to prepare thoroughly for a sim in an unfamiliar aircraft, regardless of what they're on.
Glad you found the sim easy, but others haven't, that's what my comment about attitude was regarding.
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The problem with HR driven process interview is that the person with whom you interact may have little to no knowledge of the profession. Perhaps by design it is this way.
Technical interviews have a technique and format.
Behavioural interviews have a technique and format.
Whilst there may be token pilot presence on an interview panel, it is pretty easy to work out who has the 'chair', body language and other tells will let you know how it is to proceed.
This is all knowledge that is able to be garnished and assessed well before you enter the lion's den.
There are plenty of resources available to teach testing and technique. The days of the internet do help occasionally!
The recruitment process is a sort of game, not trying to be condescending to those stuck in the middle of it, but you can prepare and anticipate a lot of the likely directions the process will take.
gone are the days where pilots interview pilots. This industry is not alone. Financial professionals in my field labour through HR driven process. There is help.
In this bloke's day he would have told you 'every battle is won before it is ever fought'
Technical interviews have a technique and format.
Behavioural interviews have a technique and format.
Whilst there may be token pilot presence on an interview panel, it is pretty easy to work out who has the 'chair', body language and other tells will let you know how it is to proceed.
This is all knowledge that is able to be garnished and assessed well before you enter the lion's den.
There are plenty of resources available to teach testing and technique. The days of the internet do help occasionally!
The recruitment process is a sort of game, not trying to be condescending to those stuck in the middle of it, but you can prepare and anticipate a lot of the likely directions the process will take.
gone are the days where pilots interview pilots. This industry is not alone. Financial professionals in my field labour through HR driven process. There is help.
In this bloke's day he would have told you 'every battle is won before it is ever fought'
Some people have waited 9 years for a go at that sim, so when the pressure is on, it's not surprising when they struggle.
So because they waited nine years for a sim check they will naturally perform poorly? What if they had waited two years or fifteen?
Sim check is a snapshot of your ability at that time usually in an unknown type with unknown speeds and characteristics.
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With that attitude, you'll get right along with all the other skygods. Just be sure to mention how amazing you are when you're in the back seat. Some people have waited 9 years for a go at that sim, so when the pressure is on, it's not surprising when they struggle. Doesn't help when you've been flying something completely different for the last decade (ie sidestick) either. Good luck to those reapplying - hopefully the tenacity will be recognised.
The standard here is high and it should be maintained.
