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Old 27th Sep 2016, 01:51   #41 (permalink)
 
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Rumours of QF A330 also getting additional JQ 787 routes back. MEL-BKK & SYD-HNL.
Not sure what aircraft will cover the Perth routes when the A330s transfer to LH.
What will come of JQ 787 operation?
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Old 27th Sep 2016, 03:28   #42 (permalink)
 
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Rumours of QF A330 also getting additional JQ 787 routes back. MEL-BKK & SYD-HNL.
Not sure what aircraft will cover the Perth routes when the A330s transfer to LH.
What will come of JQ 787 operation?
Logically, QF should operate ALL of the 787s. Economy's of scale, easier crewing, etc etc.....

Solves a lot of problems and also corrects what was a poor decision in giving them to JQ to begin with.
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Old 27th Sep 2016, 05:37   #43 (permalink)
 
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I've heard around 30 extra training slots to be announced this week
More than double that, before residuals in all categories. 30 Commands?

If only some of the internal rumours turn out to be even half true, it's looking good.
100 pilots on the current flying program is massive indicating that we are 100 pilots short now.
Vacancies in Qantas will in turn create vacancies at all the other Australian airlines (including Jetstar, there is no way no-one will jump ship), which is good for all. Now all we need is Virgin and Tiger to get their act together.
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Old 27th Sep 2016, 06:38   #44 (permalink)
 
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G'day All...

Been working overseas for a while now, coming on 10yrs. Love to comeback home.
Looking at this rumour mill Big rat might start recruiting again.
What are the chances for say a 45yrs old over 8k TT , PIC on B738, doesn't have Aus ATPL yet(due new System part 61?!?), But do have Aus CPL/MCIR. Looking at either converting from current ATPL Lic or do the whole ATPL course?
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Old 27th Sep 2016, 08:31   #45 (permalink)
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10-12 per month for "foreseeable future". Impeccable source.
Probably a hiatus in December. They'd finish their induction and be trying to do EPs and so on over Christmas/ New Year. That'll never happen! January course and ongoing after that I reckon is a good bet.
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Old 28th Sep 2016, 06:29   #46 (permalink)
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Any rough estimates on the take home pay of an A330 SO with everything included. I have read he 250 page EBA and it is hard to get a good estimate with all of the add ins without having experienced how the pay is made up. Would it be closer to $100,000 or $150,000.

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Old 28th Sep 2016, 06:34   #47 (permalink)
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Post 27 page 2 is the gross amounts. ATO website will assist with take home.

Closer to $100K with allowances on top.
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Old 28th Sep 2016, 10:10   #48 (permalink)
 
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Thank you for all the info Keg et al.

What are the "averages" for allowances and what are the average days away from home, sectors etc for the current fleet?
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 02:50   #49 (permalink)
 
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For a 330 S/O you probably do 4-9 trips a roster. So doing 16-18 sectors a roster with about 30 days off in 56. Trip length varies from 3-6 days with most trips being 3 days. The density is right up there with 24hr layovers the norm, so don't expect to get any sightseeing in but it gives you maximum time at home.

For allowances, you get about 12-15k.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 03:18   #50 (permalink)
 
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Good summation.
Good variety too is worth mentioning.
I'd view the 100k figure as a starting figure too but not too sure. Would be good for a current 330so to chime in - yearly pay scales.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 03:47   #51 (permalink)
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These are the A330 S/O hourly pay rates for the first few years.

QAL LHP EA 2015 - Classifications and Pay Rates 1 Jul 17


S/O

Year A330

1 $88.91

2A* $95.15 (First 6 months of year 2)

2B** $111.17 (second six months of year 2).

3 $116.96

4 $120.40

5 $126.60

6 $130.05

Min guarantee is 1040 hours per year. You can add at least 30 hours to that with 4 sims, EPs, security, etc. Current divisor equates to 1170 per annum plus the extra hours for sims.

Allowances on top again.

If you want the 1 Jul 18 rate add 3%.

Current 330 S/Os are on the year 7 or maybe year 8 rate so they're going to be earning more than 35% more than a year 1 S/O.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 06:47   #52 (permalink)
 
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Rough figures only, expect first year gross around $95K, end of year 2 around $115K. On current divisors expect around $160-170K as a year 8 S/O plus allowances.Tops out at year 12, which would probably be another 5-10K. Not much overtime on 330, I average about 5 or so hours a roster (56 days), though some rosters virtually none. Currently work around 25 days a roster.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 09:15   #53 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for all the detailed responses!
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 09:28   #54 (permalink)
 
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I still reckon QF would have the best working conditions on the planet at the moment. Good to see some movement.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 09:38   #55 (permalink)
 
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Totally agree Don!
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 12:03   #56 (permalink)
 
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[quotethen the 737 is likely to be the only short term promotion available. The 737 has bases in all the state capitals around Australia except TAS and NT but don't expect to earn much more than you will be earning as a 5-6 year S/O on the 787 or A330. ][/quote]

Minimum 200k up to 250k per year for 737 F/O's during Last couple of years. Captains 300-400k on the 737. Fact. Long haul types tend to underestimate Shorthaul Award massively. It's all about me, while we clean up. Fact, I have grossed 75k in the first 3 months of this financial year. Take away the bonus 58k. That's still pointing to 232k next financial year as an F/O minus the bonus. Including bonus I'm looking at 255k for the year, as an F/O. There are a few high hour Captains looking at 430k. And that is with no back of the clock flying. It's absolute gold, so I say go for it, especially if you detest back of the clock long haul crap.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 12:10   #57 (permalink)
 
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 12:19   #58 (permalink)
 
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Well AoA you must be picking up a stack of extra hours per month.
For the uninitiated, you would not earn that sort of coin just working divisor, you must put your hand up for extra work and consequently less days off.
Not disputing the figures, it's certainly possible to earn that much as a 737 F/O but that would be at the upper end of the spectrum, not the average.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 12:23   #59 (permalink)
 
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If that's what the NB left seat is getting, I don't think I want to know what the WB rate is!
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 12:26   #60 (permalink)
 
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Well it's good to know I've got something to look forward to if the A380 cuts back to routes with no overtime...

Promotion to the 737!

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