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Old 29th Feb 2024, 07:59
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Hear time to SH FO was around 5 years???

I couldn't imagine a new hire 330/350 SO would earn anywhere near that of a SH FO?Been thinking the new hire SO would be around 140K after allowances??

Happy to hear otherwise!
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Old 29th Feb 2024, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Wetwilly
Hear time to SH FO was around 5 years???
Was - years ago. Now itís pretty much day one if you SYD or MEL and maybe a year or so for BNE/PER, they arenít putting any F/Os into ADL at the moment is the base is still too big.

I couldn't imagine a new hire 330/350 SO would earn anywhere near that of a SH FO?Been thinking the new hire SO would be around 140K after allowances??

Happy to hear otherwise!
Both EAs available online. The SO figure is accurate, on the 73 you can make over $200k on first year rates at a typical roster build. Some FOís picking up extra work will gross north of $250k plus allowances.

If you take the 73 youíre frozen for 4 years but currently a 6 year wait to LH FO.

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Old 29th Feb 2024, 12:04
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Was - years ago. Now itís pretty much day one if you SYD or MEL and maybe a year or so for BNE/PER, they arenít putting any F/Os into ADL at the moment is the base is still too big.



Both EAs available online. The SO figure is accurate, on the 73 you can make over $200k on first year rates at a typical roster build. Some FOís picking up extra work will gross north of $250k plus allowances.

If you take the 73 youíre frozen for 4 years but currently a 6 year wait to LH FO.

Well under a year for Perth 737.
You can't earn under 200k as a 737 FO. Just won't happen with having reserve call outs etc. Plenty year4 FOs going north of 300 this FY with the bonus
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Old 29th Feb 2024, 21:43
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Originally Posted by soseg
Well under a year for Perth 737.
You can't earn under 200k as a 737 FO. Just won't happen with having reserve call outs etc. Plenty year4 FOs going north of 300 this FY with the bonus
I have also heard of first year SOís (787) cracking 200
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Old 29th Feb 2024, 23:03
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Originally Posted by Swept-Wing
I have also heard of first year SOís (787) cracking 200
Good on them, but that wouldn't be doing "half the work" of the 73 guys, they'd have to be working, or at least away for significant time to get that. The 73 guy could be home every night. Its all a choice, and we are so lucky to have it.
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
Good on them, but that wouldn't be doing "half the work" of the 73 guys, they'd have to be working, or at least away for significant time to get that. The 73 guy could be home every night. Its all a choice, and we are so lucky to have it.
Home every night?

Whats that?

Im away half a week every wever without name in book. If i offer to do extra make it 4 to 5 nights a week away.
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Most trips are 1, 2 and 3 days, some of the internationals are up to 5 days, this will probably increase as SH transitions to the 321.

At the bottom of the squirrel cage expect 9/10 nights away from home, and if day trips are your thing at the top of the rotation you can spend every night at home for months.

Overall itíll even out to an average 4/5 nights away per roster.
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Originally Posted by soseg
Home every night?

Whats that?

Im away half a week every wever without name in book. If i offer to do extra make it 4 to 5 nights a week away.
Horse ****!
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Originally Posted by dejapoo
Horse ****!
Shorthaul spends more TAFB than longhaul.

Thanks to the Ďregional partnersí and low paid subsidiaries.

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Originally Posted by Big Silver Spoon
Shorthaul spends more TAFB than longhaul.

Thanks to the Ďregional partnersí and low paid subsidiaries.
How is it a subsidiaries fault that youíre doing too many overnights for your liking? Most of these businesses were smaller Aussie companies that grew bigger and Qantas bought. Itís not their fault itís Qantas Managements fault that youíre unhappy.
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Back in the day, before outsourcing, 4-day trips were common. I used to spend 12 nights away. I did get to meet some swell divorce lawyers though.
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Most 787 SOís would be grossing 200k this FY. This would include approx 25k in allowances.
650 hours on avg

380 SOís (on the good contract) would be similar upwards to 250k - given lower divisors and oversupply at the moment.

737 - 250k seems reasonable. Thereís no
point staying on the 787 after year 4 - either 380 or SH to have the ability to earn more.

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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Quite high ate the moment, they donít have anywhere near enough applicants to fill the roles.
Based on that, what are the chances theyíll consider someone with say 3-4 ATPL exams completed (and still within the window to finish the rest) with ~2000hrs?

Seems odd to drop the flying/command experience in favour of holding the line on theory. I recall a time where QLK hired with AHUF only.
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A Network FO gets $107k no allowances, FDP, no overtime (for anyone wanting to compare with the worst f**'ing job in the Qantas group).
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Any chance someone can post a typical SO 787 roster for year one ?

Many Thanks
Hank.
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Originally Posted by Hank Schrader
Any chance someone can post a typical SO 787 roster for year one ?

Many Thanks
Hank.
Expect 5-6 trips ranging from 4-6 days away.
If thereís a JFK in the roster (10 days) expect 3-4 5-6 day trips
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For any external candidates that did the first round of interviews in January/February this year and got the nod, has anyone had a start date or expected time frame yet?
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Old 11th Mar 2024, 22:58
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Originally Posted by LivingtheDream46
A Network FO gets $107k no allowances, FDP, no overtime (for anyone wanting to compare with the worst f**'ing job in the Qantas group).
Dunno, efa is up there
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Old 12th Mar 2024, 07:15
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Don’t know about start dates. Talking to the recruiters recently and told still 30 on hold file from last round of recruitment. Interviews from this round will go on 3-4 days a week until December, possibly longer. New courses every two to four weeks. Interestingly despite the hype of Atlas and other U.S freight carriers over 100 applicants from them.
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June courses went out today.
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