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Old 26th Sep 2016, 08:43
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Originally Posted by cooperplace
according to this: https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...-closer/#page1 Qantas is considering non-stop 787 services to LHR; 17.5 hrs. It says that the flight would run from Perth domestic not int'l: why would they do that?
Yeh, saw that. Not sure if he had anything to do with the headline but in the listing it said "Qantas Confirms PER-LHR Direct Flights"... then click to the article and it says it's not confirmed at all... wasn't surprised to see one of the authors is GT... overblown heading not a surprise for that 'aviation expert'.
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Old 27th Sep 2016, 02:20
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The assumption here is that everyone wants to fly to LHR. As an Englishmen myself I have to say that LHR is a complete sh1thole; and most of the pax I carry out of Perth to Dubai are going to GLA, BHX, MAN, NCL and LGW.

LHR. Horrible place
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Old 27th Sep 2016, 05:40
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LHR. Horrible place
It couldn't be any worse than Dubai!
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 02:52
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It's not PER-LHR but I see that Virgin have announced
Virgin Australia last week announced two new long-haul routes. Melbourne-Los Angeles is back, and a new Perth-Abu Dhabi flight will also be added. As a result, Virgin will withdraw its 3x weekly Sydney-Abu Dhabi flights
So they have looked at the market from not only west and all points north of Adelaide but will no doubt utilise their west coast-PER.flights to meet the new service ex PER.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 10:27
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Yeh. Per Abu Dhabi should compete well with Per Euro....
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 11:03
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Paper here says EY has taking over the east coast flying to AUH from Virgin. Not sure this is a good thing.
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 11:53
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PER - AUH obviously to connect with the EY network and a codeshare onward to the final destination. Also need a Singapore flight to connect with the SQ network on a route which Virgin codeshare with SQ who are competitors to EY who are both rivals to Emirates. Oh well I'll work it all out one day ????
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Old 29th Sep 2016, 14:36
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Would a Virgin codeshare with SQ SYD-JKT-SIN and vv be of interest to you ?.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 02:39
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I still can't work out all this codeshare stuff, I watched the screen at a departure gate one day as it scrolled through 9 different flight numbers for the same aircraft.

Having SQ on the JKT - SYD route is perfectly reasonable as Garuda offer SIN - SYD via JKT and, until the runway is fixed in WIII, SIN - LHR nonstop. They only realised the B777-300 couldn't take off with the fuel load need to go to Europe with the runway in its current state after they had bought the aircraft.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 02:43
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You mean cgk?
Whats the runway problem? Other than the usual bumps etc?
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 03:20
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Whats the runway problem? Other than the usual bumps etc?
Not strong enough for a heavy 777-300ER:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...athrow-423770/
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 03:25
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Aha, ta
No real surprise
Was wondering if i missed a notam the other week 😑
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 07:44
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I suspect the Indonesians have downgraded the PCN for their own selfish reasons i.e so they can pick up traffic in SIN for LHR especially the higher yield traffic. When the loads and yield is viable it will be a nonstop to LHR.

I stand to be corrected so if anyone can tell me what the PCN at Soekarno Hatta is I can do the calculation. I would also need to know if the runway is regarded as flexible or rigid. The subgrade coding would be beneficial for further accuracy.

FWIW The B787-9 at a gross 245,847 kgs and a tyre pressure of 1,470 kpa has a greater PCN need than the B777-300ER at 352,441 kgs and a tyre pressure of 1,550 kpa on a flexible pavement.

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Old 30th Sep 2016, 08:48
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... if anyone can tell me what the PCN at Soekarno Hatta is I can do the calculation.
According to Navtech, the PCN for 07R/25L is: 114/R/D/W/T

I'm guessing the ultra-low subgrade strength kills it!
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 08:51
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I think B772 is on the money! When Qantas operated the B747 into DPS, the PCN was restricted for the B747 even though GA's DC10 had a harsher footprint. The DC10 carried fewer passengers than the B747.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 09:53
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Buzzbox.

Thanks for that. I have a copy of the worlds airports (most of) and CGK/WIII strength data is prior to the downgrade.

Your info.
PCN is 114
R is Rigid
D is Ultra Low Strength Subgrade
W is No Tyre Pressure Limitation
T is Technical Evaluation

Based on the above a PCN of 131 is required for unlimited maximum weight take-offs of 352,441 kgs. A PCN of 114 suggests the max weight allowable for unlimited take-offs is 322,000 kgs. In practice a further 10% (32,200 kgs) can be added for a limited number of take-offs per day. These figures are all based on a technical evaluation. If the rigid pavement is under stress the weights would be reduced. Without knowing the full story I stick with my hypothesis.
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I will not make comment with another example in case I am referred to as being racist !
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 10:03
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Thread Drift (sorry)

Some readers may find the article below of interest. This was due to large numbers of A320's and B737-700/800's being added to the domestic fleet and increased frequencies due to the LCC boom. Most of Australia's non capital city airports had thin asphalt surfaced runways.

http://alacpa.org/index_archivos/ALA...20pressure.pdf

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Old 30th Sep 2016, 10:52
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B772,

That is so sad!
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