Air NZ discriminating against older pilots!
It is people like goodonyamate that makes me look at staying, if only to p... him off.
Thank goodness there are not too many like him, part of the entitlement generation.
Thank goodness there are not too many like him, part of the entitlement generation.
goodonyamate - probably nothing more dangerous than an FO who likes to think he is 'carrying' the captain.
It is people like goodonyamate that makes me look at staying, if only to p... him off.
Thank goodness there are not too many like him, part of the entitlement generation.
17th Jul 2016 22:17
Thank goodness there are not too many like him, part of the entitlement generation.
17th Jul 2016 22:17
Thank goodness there are not too many like him, part of the entitlement generation.
But lets be honest here, there's plenty of Pilots who were hired into NAC out of the Aeroclub and got their first command with less hours in the book then your average GA pilot of today.
I would hope those same Captains aren't the ones pointing the finger at the "entitlement" of others who might not see a Command before retirement.
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We're not talking about some LCC where cadets are clawing for commands after 18 months in the seat.
But lets be honest here, there's plenty of Pilots who were hired into NAC out of the Aeroclub and got their first command with less hours in the book then your average GA pilot of today.
I would hope those same Captains aren't the ones pointing the finger at the "entitlement" of others who might not see a Command before retirement.
But lets be honest here, there's plenty of Pilots who were hired into NAC out of the Aeroclub and got their first command with less hours in the book then your average GA pilot of today.
I would hope those same Captains aren't the ones pointing the finger at the "entitlement" of others who might not see a Command before retirement.
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Parabellum, this is getting way off topic but if you had bothered to do ANY research whatsoever you would know that a.) the company is named "Tesla" not "Teslar", and b.) the number of miles driven on autopilot vs fatalities is already much lower than that of a human driver and the technology is still in its infancy. But hey, people always oppose new things especially when it could result in the loss of their own job.
Back on topic, some of you have disgusting attitudes and you probably should retire from the industry. Hell, you are making me want to retire from the industry just by reading this crap. I have news for some of you: I have flown with many fantastic 30 something skippers that had 10k hours under their belt and did a great job in the left seat. I have also flown with some mid 60s skippers who should have given the game up years ago. It goes both ways. Sitting in the left seat isn't that hard and yes I have been on both sides of the flight deck. It isn't for everyone and has its moments, but one thing I have learned in my career so far is that some people love to blow it out of proportion.
Back on topic, some of you have disgusting attitudes and you probably should retire from the industry. Hell, you are making me want to retire from the industry just by reading this crap. I have news for some of you: I have flown with many fantastic 30 something skippers that had 10k hours under their belt and did a great job in the left seat. I have also flown with some mid 60s skippers who should have given the game up years ago. It goes both ways. Sitting in the left seat isn't that hard and yes I have been on both sides of the flight deck. It isn't for everyone and has its moments, but one thing I have learned in my career so far is that some people love to blow it out of proportion.
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GOODONYAMATE.
Im tempted to say your name says it all.I was 21 when I started as a lowly F/O on $60 a week.By the time I was 25 I really started to dislike most LHS guys and resented having to 'carry" them so often (in my mind) only to realise later on that it was my CRM that was lacking.Your attitude spells trouble CRM-wise in the FD.
Once I became a big-jet PIC I welcomed all the help I could get from the RHS.Now im a TRE etc im shocked at the poor attitude of many of todays pilots.
Lastly, I challenge you to a duel in the SIM and lets see how the oldies compare to the top guns (you?), this rubbish about carrying a Captain is just well, rubbish.I would love to discuss your attitude when YOU are 65 and still flying....I think you will find that 99% of people evolve their attitude over time, Peter.
Im tempted to say your name says it all.I was 21 when I started as a lowly F/O on $60 a week.By the time I was 25 I really started to dislike most LHS guys and resented having to 'carry" them so often (in my mind) only to realise later on that it was my CRM that was lacking.Your attitude spells trouble CRM-wise in the FD.
Once I became a big-jet PIC I welcomed all the help I could get from the RHS.Now im a TRE etc im shocked at the poor attitude of many of todays pilots.
Lastly, I challenge you to a duel in the SIM and lets see how the oldies compare to the top guns (you?), this rubbish about carrying a Captain is just well, rubbish.I would love to discuss your attitude when YOU are 65 and still flying....I think you will find that 99% of people evolve their attitude over time, Peter.
Pete,
Who's claiming to be a top gun? Perhaps your understanding of carrying is different to mine so let me clear it up. I respect any captain whether I know them or not, whatever their age, because they are the captain. No one is saying these guys don't have skills, experience, crm, management abilities etc that are lacking. As to a sim duel....the sim is not the problem. If it was , they wouldnt be here. The problem is the pace of the operation. As people get older, we slow down. No shame in it, happens to everyone. Whether it happens at 65, 62, 70 is irrelevant. The operation requires things to be done within a certain timeframe. I'm certainly not advocating rushing, but when someone can't complete the required duties within the normal timeframe, they most certainly can't keep up with the operation when things get tight. Hence, the FO has to do more than usual to keep things running. Without it, more delays etc etc. to get through a day (and it is not every day). Therefore, there is a certain amount of carrying required. Never for operational decision making etc, but for keeping the thing turning, absolutely. The point is some can't recognize when they have slowed so much that they start loading up the other person. When this happens, resentment ensues...hence the issues. Whether people will write it on here or not, you can't honestly tell me you think this is an issue with a small minority. Capt/FO/SO say the same thing. Maybe it wasn't such an issue when there was lots of expansion in all the airlines, but at a time of little or no expansion, shrinking, RINs, threatened redundancies, these issues become bigger. Not sure when you got to the LHS, for me personally, I'll be in my 50's when my number comes up, if I'm lucky. I certainly won't be flying at 65. Too much fun to be had in retirement.
Who's claiming to be a top gun? Perhaps your understanding of carrying is different to mine so let me clear it up. I respect any captain whether I know them or not, whatever their age, because they are the captain. No one is saying these guys don't have skills, experience, crm, management abilities etc that are lacking. As to a sim duel....the sim is not the problem. If it was , they wouldnt be here. The problem is the pace of the operation. As people get older, we slow down. No shame in it, happens to everyone. Whether it happens at 65, 62, 70 is irrelevant. The operation requires things to be done within a certain timeframe. I'm certainly not advocating rushing, but when someone can't complete the required duties within the normal timeframe, they most certainly can't keep up with the operation when things get tight. Hence, the FO has to do more than usual to keep things running. Without it, more delays etc etc. to get through a day (and it is not every day). Therefore, there is a certain amount of carrying required. Never for operational decision making etc, but for keeping the thing turning, absolutely. The point is some can't recognize when they have slowed so much that they start loading up the other person. When this happens, resentment ensues...hence the issues. Whether people will write it on here or not, you can't honestly tell me you think this is an issue with a small minority. Capt/FO/SO say the same thing. Maybe it wasn't such an issue when there was lots of expansion in all the airlines, but at a time of little or no expansion, shrinking, RINs, threatened redundancies, these issues become bigger. Not sure when you got to the LHS, for me personally, I'll be in my 50's when my number comes up, if I'm lucky. I certainly won't be flying at 65. Too much fun to be had in retirement.
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Well you've got that right.... at the going rate I'll also be in my 50s when the left seat once again presents itself. The difference being I won't be flying then anymore. I don't know how some guys do it into their 60s.... I haven't been in this industry anywhere near as long as some of you folk, and already I am beginning to tire of the big C little T, increasing scrutiny over anything and everything that you do on a daily basis, dwindling pay and lifestyle etc. It all looked like so much fun from the outside
