Fake Log book Hours Blacklist
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It's a discussion Derfred, to see how huge this problem now is and to see others thoughts on the matter, just for now.
LongLats, no not all. This is just scratching the surface. If it's as big as I think, it may get further attention outside of here and/or create change in airlines' focuses with prospective employees. I don't know yet but I (and many others it seems) are tired of the increasing number of dishonest muppets gaining jobs they have no claim to.
This thread is running in another section and is getting some disturbing responses too. The problem is massive and I can't see it getting any better unless thorough Logbook & Reference checks are bought back in force, and HR focuses on THIS instead of whether I like chasing oiled up pigs or headless chicken around my back yard! Faking logbook hours is a much better indication of character than any psycho-analysis test from HR is going to show, as was eluded to above by Red Jet.
LongLats, no not all. This is just scratching the surface. If it's as big as I think, it may get further attention outside of here and/or create change in airlines' focuses with prospective employees. I don't know yet but I (and many others it seems) are tired of the increasing number of dishonest muppets gaining jobs they have no claim to.
This thread is running in another section and is getting some disturbing responses too. The problem is massive and I can't see it getting any better unless thorough Logbook & Reference checks are bought back in force, and HR focuses on THIS instead of whether I like chasing oiled up pigs or headless chicken around my back yard! Faking logbook hours is a much better indication of character than any psycho-analysis test from HR is going to show, as was eluded to above by Red Jet.
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Ok...I'm listening,start naming names.......I've been involved in this type of "investigation" when I worked contract.....a huge problem,contract company's do not have the time ,resources,or verifiable ability to check .Just take a look at the big name contract companies and actually know how they do checks,whether it be background,logbook etc,it's a farce,it's about money.We are in a new era where cheating is the name of the game,pilot numbers are unprecedented,the game of greed!!!
Hate to point out the blatant obvious Pakehaboy et al, but you can't just accuse someone of falsifying logbook hours on a public forum.
1. You can be taken to court for defamation
2. The moderators of this forum are legally obligated to divulge real names/records of people who are making the claims of point 1.
I stand to be corrected...
For the record, I'd gladly hand my logbook over to anyone that wanted to look at it. I'm proud of every hour in there, could happily discuss and prove every hour and would feel ashamed to even consider faking just one.
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1. You can be taken to court for defamation
2. The moderators of this forum are legally obligated to divulge real names/records of people who are making the claims of point 1.
I stand to be corrected...
For the record, I'd gladly hand my logbook over to anyone that wanted to look at it. I'm proud of every hour in there, could happily discuss and prove every hour and would feel ashamed to even consider faking just one.
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RC,and I totally agree,the statement was more facetious!!! You simply cannot name names,for your obvious reasons and the original poster is ludicrous if he thinks he can and should,no argument there!!!.Personally,I find the ****e-stirring thread worthless, as this whole issue of pencil-whipping of logbooks is not a new phenomenon.Youll find the same practices in many different industry's for sure.
Several posters have made great suggestions regarding how to verify logbook entries,they have and are being used.We should be directing our efforts in that direction,not naming names,that satisfys nothing!
Several posters have made great suggestions regarding how to verify logbook entries,they have and are being used.We should be directing our efforts in that direction,not naming names,that satisfys nothing!
You can still do it without getting into trouble. Just get some webspace in Russia or the like and nobody can touch you. Faking logbooks is criminal and these sad individuals need to be named and shamed.
I remember working in a town in the north of WA, walked into the reception area to hear our "hangar helper" gloatting to his mate on the phone that he was flying the Baron and Chieftan.
He's in an airline now in Australia.
He knows who he is.
Should drop his name to CASA. Not that they would do anything, but I'd love nothing more than to see him get what he deserves.
He's in an airline now in Australia.
He knows who he is.
Should drop his name to CASA. Not that they would do anything, but I'd love nothing more than to see him get what he deserves.
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IF time is also only about 5-10% of total time for an IFR pilot. Anything above this is suspicious.
What is the point of acutally inflating you IF time anyway? apart from licence upgrade requirements, I don't see any real marketable value in having more or less IF time. its irrelevant. IMO it's silly requiring pilots to count every minute in and out of cloud when in reality IFR is all heads down irrespective of meteorological conditions and further more, VFR above 20000' isn't even allowed.
allow logging of all IFR PF time as IF
A problem arises when people use the same logbook column to record different things. But that's why logbooks contain "special" columns, use those to record whatever time you want, just be honest about it.
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Anyone logging IFR time in the IMC column of their Australian logbook is wrong and fraudulent
if it was IMC only then how can an IFR student log IF time Under the hood.
btw nobody is being fraudulent. Every entry in the logbook requires the aircraft registration to be written. it is obvious from this that the flying was done under a foreign jurisdiction.
Back to my question though. What would be the benefit in being "fraudulent" about IF time? as an Overseas employed/licenced pilot I still use my Australian Logbook. How is it being fraudulent when I am already qualified and hope to gain nothing from my IF column. When/If i return to Oz, CASA must accept my logbook because the times were logged under the jurisdiction of an ICAO member state.
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btw nobody is being fraudulent. Every entry in the logbook requires the aircraft registration to be written. it is obvious from this that the flying was done under a foreign jurisdiction.
Under FAA, FO can log IMC time even when he is designated as a PM. Is this fraudulent when I apply for license conversion in Australia? Don't think so.
Now the big question is, a FO designated as PF is able to log hours as PIC because there is no such thing as "ICUS" in FAA logbook. (FAA says sole-manipulator of flight controls/autopilot log hours as PIC)
So, will this be recognised as "PIC" hours or "ICUS" hours in Australia?
How about an employer telling me to log flight switch only so he could squeeze 115-120 hours out of me per month!
What would be the benefit in being "fraudulent" about IF time?
Shouldn't really make any difference once you arrive in an airline, but it tends to be a sticking point for GA pilots attempting to get a leg up. I know of GA pilots flying up North on IFR plans but not logging any IF, due to avoiding flying into the CBs, being knocked back from airline jobs.
I wouldn't know what my IFR time was exactly, I had to fill it in once for a job application and just took my best conservative guess based on the types of aircraft I had been flying (they were only after a minimum time anyway so accuracy wasn't a major concern).
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You can still do it without getting into trouble. Just get some webspace in Russia or the like and nobody can touch you.
Never, ever risk posting anything malicious, defamatory or libellous unless you wish to dispose of a lot of money!
No name, no allegations, not even any "traceable rumours" or the thread gets binned!
I once knew of a CPL holder who logged PIC time on every airline he few on as a passenger. Fortunately he never got a flying job.....
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I once knew of a CPL holder who logged PIC time on every airline he few on as a passenger. Fortunately he never got a flying job.....
Can people be that stupid?????
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No, they are not making it up.
As far as I am aware, deliberate falsification of a Pilots Log Book in the manner to which this thread is concerned, is actually a Criminal Offence.
Other Ppruners may know precisely.
61.360 False entries in personal logbooks
(1) The holder of a flight crew licence or certificate of validation commits an offence if:
(a) the holder makes an entry in his or her personal logbook; and
(b) the entry is false or misleading.
Penalty: 50 penalty units.
(1) The holder of a flight crew licence or certificate of validation commits an offence if:
(a) the holder makes an entry in his or her personal logbook; and
(b) the entry is false or misleading.
Penalty: 50 penalty units.
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The sad thing is, while HR bureaucrats and psycobabble numpties run recruiting for most airlines these things will continue to happen.
Despite their degrees they can't spot obvious falsities like have been mentioned here. As long as they pass their mindless tests so they put the candidate in a pigeon hole and they say all the politically correct stuff to keep the HR empire happy they're 90% of the way through the process.
Pilots, sadly, have less and less say on who gets employed these days. That's why these guys get employed.
Despite their degrees they can't spot obvious falsities like have been mentioned here. As long as they pass their mindless tests so they put the candidate in a pigeon hole and they say all the politically correct stuff to keep the HR empire happy they're 90% of the way through the process.
Pilots, sadly, have less and less say on who gets employed these days. That's why these guys get employed.