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I’m told the next 12-18 months training will be focused on command upgrades with some new A320 F/Os coming from the 787 S/Os being released. With F/O hours way down at the moment it’s not surprising that recruiting is on hold. But like all things at Jetstar the plan will most likely change.
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With up to 80 FOs waiting for start dates at the mothership, it won’t be too long before crew planning are caught with their pants down (again).
Dont worry though, being forced to work on your days off (company log of claims) should solve all their woes.
I’d say sit tight. Things change very quickly.
Dont worry though, being forced to work on your days off (company log of claims) should solve all their woes.
I’d say sit tight. Things change very quickly.
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With up to 80 FOs waiting for start dates at the mothership, it won’t be too long before crew planning are caught with their pants down (again).
Dont worry though, being forced to work on your days off (company log of claims) should solve all their woes.
I’d say sit tight. Things change very quickly.
Dont worry though, being forced to work on your days off (company log of claims) should solve all their woes.
I’d say sit tight. Things change very quickly.
How can you be forced to work on a day off?
I tend to agree, with the f/o’s About to depart they will fall short very quickly. Captains have been at high hours for years so there isn’t much fat left in the crewing numbers. Sit tight....
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They can put anything in the proposed EBA they like. Doesn’t mean it’ll get a yes vote.
Even if they pay silly money for flexibility, eventually the crew will call enoughs and enough and vote for lifestyle measures.
From what I understand and correct me if I’m wrong, the company want the ability to call you out on a standby day which runs into days off. They want the ability to force you to work and pay you the WDOs. Presently you can say no to a duty that runs past 2300 into a day off.
Of course, the cynic in me would suggest they will lose standby coverage as there would be plenty of URTI days being used.
Anyway sit tight. There will be plenty of training going on shortly.
Even if they pay silly money for flexibility, eventually the crew will call enoughs and enough and vote for lifestyle measures.
From what I understand and correct me if I’m wrong, the company want the ability to call you out on a standby day which runs into days off. They want the ability to force you to work and pay you the WDOs. Presently you can say no to a duty that runs past 2300 into a day off.
Of course, the cynic in me would suggest they will lose standby coverage as there would be plenty of URTI days being used.
Anyway sit tight. There will be plenty of training going on shortly.
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Is it possible that it is all part of their IR posturing?
After all it is contract season and what better way to stop all those ambit claims by simply slowing recruitment and training and 'spinning' there is no shortage?
After all it is contract season and what better way to stop all those ambit claims by simply slowing recruitment and training and 'spinning' there is no shortage?
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How many on hold file at the moment? Would progression be similar on the 787 and narrowbody fleet be similiar times to mothership, what's the typical time frame? If 320 FO bid to fly the 787, what position do they move into?
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787 F/O approx 5 years from date of join.
A320 command currently around 6 years in Sydney.
Rough guides only of course as there are many variables, mainly how many extra airframes the A321LRs will result in.
Whilst you're correct, it should be noted that time to command is going to blow out massively for anyone who joins now.
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Be a good 10-12 yrs to command for the guys who started in the recruitment drive starting 2016 as all the entitled Cadets are starting to acquire the B/S ICUS and their 100hrs flying in circles in a diamond to get the hrs for the ATPL.
78 if they are still around be about 5-8 yrs in Mel, over 10yrs in any other base.
78 if they are still around be about 5-8 yrs in Mel, over 10yrs in any other base.
You guys crack me up.
Lets run some “whole” numbers shall we.
call the fleet size “50”. For optimism sake we will say they grow the fleet at 3% (which is more likely as shown with current fleet growth numbers).
3% Growth (Realistic)
10 years = 67 aircraft = 75 commands
15 years = 78 aircraft = 140 commands
6% Growth (Very Optimistic)
10 years = 90 aircraft = 200 commands
15 years = 120 aircraft = 350 commands
Now lets take into account retirements = 50 pilots over the next 10 years in JQ.
So in 10 years that will be 125 to 250 commands.
last Sydney command position 700.... (~70 FO’s eligible for commands above the 700 line)
corrected commands 55-180 commands from 700 onwards in 10 years
Seniority numbers 791 to 976 will have commands by 2029 from today.
791, time to command 18 years time to command in a realistic environment with no downsizing.
976, time to command 12 years in an extremely good optimistic environment.
Lets run some “whole” numbers shall we.
call the fleet size “50”. For optimism sake we will say they grow the fleet at 3% (which is more likely as shown with current fleet growth numbers).
3% Growth (Realistic)
10 years = 67 aircraft = 75 commands
15 years = 78 aircraft = 140 commands
6% Growth (Very Optimistic)
10 years = 90 aircraft = 200 commands
15 years = 120 aircraft = 350 commands
Now lets take into account retirements = 50 pilots over the next 10 years in JQ.
So in 10 years that will be 125 to 250 commands.
last Sydney command position 700.... (~70 FO’s eligible for commands above the 700 line)
corrected commands 55-180 commands from 700 onwards in 10 years
Seniority numbers 791 to 976 will have commands by 2029 from today.
791, time to command 18 years time to command in a realistic environment with no downsizing.
976, time to command 12 years in an extremely good optimistic environment.
Last edited by Bula; 22nd Feb 2019 at 05:41.