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Old 5th Oct 2022, 23:23
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Interview to hold file 2 weeks.
Hold file to offer 7 weeks.
Offer to contract 10 days.
Offer to start date 11 weeks.

I am already type rated.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 01:36
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Originally Posted by IGBK View Post
Interview to hold file 2 weeks.
Hold file to offer 7 weeks.
Offer to contract 10 days.
Offer to start date 11 weeks.

I am already type rated.
not that itís a show stopper, but out of curiosity how long do they bond you for. I found a ďpossiblyĒ 36 months in the old eba but the wording seemed a bit loose 👍
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 01:45
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There is no bond at JQ. They just keep you on a lower pay scale for 4 years, which equates to $40k in lost wages. Refer to the 2015 eba document.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 01:55
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They keep you on L1 for 4 yrs. L2 for 1yr then L3 on your 6th yr, works out to be well over 50k with reduced salary, then add on allowances and any WDO you may work so could be upwards of 60k I am not kidding. Also, you will have to add on loss of income from resignation of last employment to your start date (usually about 2 weeks completion of type rating), they will cover your accommodation transport to and from training center flights etc if you're sent over to another country. I am not sure if the will supply accommodation if they type rate you in ML. either way you will have fund food and anything else you may like.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 02:11
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They keep you on L1 for 4 yrs. L2 for 1yr then L3 on your 6th yr, works out to be well over 50k with reduced salary, then add on allowances and any WDO you may work so could be upwards of 60k I am not kidding. Also, you will have to add on loss of income from resignation of last employment to your start date (usually about 2 weeks completion of type rating), they will cover your accommodation transport to and from training center flights etc if you're sent over to another country. I am not sure if the will supply accommodation if they type rate you in ML. either way you will have fund food and anything else you may like.
great info, thanks. Honesty cap on, only really considering it as Iím an inactive on another carrier that can remain namelessÖ thought if thereís no bond itíll give me something to do until the nameless carrier invites me back
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 02:11
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Have ground schools for early next year been allocated yet? I heard there arenít ground schools running through Xmas and that the last for this year was November.
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 03:49
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Have ground schools for early next year been allocated yet? I heard there arenít ground schools running through Xmas and that the last for this year was November.
for JQ or VA? If you were referring to VA then heard nothing yet on next year. Monthly bid imports still go on but no word on start dates for next year. Probably wonít hear until next year or very end of this year rod theyíre really being productive. But Iím sure training departments slow down of Xmas so Iím just assuming december and January will be nothing to expect. Might start firing up again Feb but no official word to the main cohort l
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 04:03
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There is no bond at JQ. They just keep you on a lower pay scale for 4 years, which equates to $40k in lost wages. Refer to the 2015 eba document.
Thats not a bond, thatís paying for your endorsement. Thatís a disgrace.
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 04:35
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Thats not a bond, that’s paying for your endorsement. That’s a disgrace.
Still a steady stream of takers, that's the sad part. If the individual can't even control their urges to fly a jet at any cost what hope have you of a concerted effort to negotiate better. Money is obviously not a driver for those applying at J* as you are shafted from day one,not even paid through training. And those conditions mentioned above must be among the lowest in the world now for flying the type in a modern economy.
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 06:20
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Still a steady stream of takers, that's the sad part. If the individual can't even control their urges to fly a jet at any cost what hope have you of a concerted effort to negotiate better.
So what are you suggesting people do? Sit in the RHS of a airline affiliated regional having their loyalty used against them?? Or go to Jetstar for 1-2 years then have the choice or working either in the Middle East, Europe, North America or Australia??
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 06:26
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
Still a steady stream of takers, that's the sad part. If the individual can't even control their urges to fly a jet at any cost what hope have you of a concerted effort to negotiate better. Money is obviously not a driver for those applying at J* as you are shafted from day one,not even paid through training. And those conditions mentioned above must be among the lowest in the world now for flying the type in a modern economy.
Unfortunately if you want to live in Australia you don't have a lot of choice. It's either QF, va or JQ. VA isn't any better than JQ these days.
There is increasing talk amongst the crews that quite a few are actively trying to leave. That's new and potentially the only thing that could drive changes.
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 06:40
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I've had mates passing in and out of J* for years since its inception. A lot of players only went there to get jet time to move up the ladder, overseas etc. Unfortunately the combination of not enough leaving and way too many with the same idea to replace them is why it will not change. At least until Rex and QLink are purged of pilots which will leave a gaping hole for them to sort out being the next rung in the ladder. Rex at least has a partially set up real cadetship, QF in general is still not quite sure what it wants to do in this area other than pray they can fill their hold file. I already know a few on QF hold file that have gone OS instead and probably wont come back.

So what are you suggesting people do? Sit in the RHS of a airline affiliated regional having their loyalty used against them?? Or go to Jetstar for 1-2 years then have the choice or working either in the Middle East, Europe, North America or Australia??
As a principle I've never bent to the stupid requirements some airlines require, from ridiculous pay to fly, or pay for endorsements, education other than year 12 etc, had to wait a little longer than others but it worked well and the last endorsement I paid for was while I was still in CPL training. All airlines I've worked for have paid me from the start date at ground school. A few more years sitting in a regional these days will have you a command, and I think all of them pay more for command than FOs at J*. The middle east and the freight mobs overseas are now taking turboprop drivers, they have no choice than to take what they can get.

I got no problem with people doing the job they want, but at least have some respect for yourself and others on the way up that you don't stuff the system from the inside.

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Old 7th Oct 2022, 06:41
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
Still a steady stream of takers, that's the sad part. If the individual can't even control their urges to fly a jet at any cost what hope have you of a concerted effort to negotiate better. Money is obviously not a driver for those applying at J* as you are shafted from day one,not even paid through training. And those conditions mentioned above must be among the lowest in the world now for flying the type in a modern economy.
Yeh, everyone in the regionals and GA should just sacrifice themselves and not apply, so that you clowns already sitting in your jets can be in a stronger negotiating position. Take a bow.

Pilots are paid shit because pilots are idiots. Seniority systems and bickering resulting in multiple unions mean the result will never change.

Don't blame regional and GA pilots because you're paid shit.
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 07:04
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
Yeh, everyone in the regionals and GA should just sacrifice themselves and not apply, so that you clowns already sitting in your jets can be in a stronger negotiating position. Take a bow.

Pilots are paid shit because pilots are idiots. Seniority systems and bickering resulting in multiple unions mean the result will never change.

Don't blame regional and GA pilots because you're paid shit.
Seriously if you think ditching seniority will somehow fix airline wages I think granitus may be between the ears. As said above already people are undercutting the system at the bottom. HR is not going to pay higher for experience, they'll just take anyone who fills the seat. And anybody that complains gets pushed out.

I do however completely agree with the bickering unions, and like in the case of QLink two pilot bodies being directly played against each other. Which is the entire idea of diluting union membership. While the US is not the perfect place for aviation ALPA has won a lot of general rules that protect pilot jobs, like the 1500 hour rule and so on. You can only get these changes if you have either unions working together or one single union that has clout. At the moment apart from Rex where the union seems to have unparalleled support the rest of Australian aviation is moving backwards. It doesn't help that years of government anti union measures have taken much of the fight and rights from workers.

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Old 7th Oct 2022, 10:43
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While the US is not the perfect place for aviation ALPA has won a lot of general rules that protect pilot jobs, like the 1500 hour rule and so on.
The 1500 hour rule was not introduced to protect pilot jobs.
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 19:50
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Whatís a JQ narrow body FO typically bring home ontop of the base these days per year?
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Whatís a JQ narrow body FO typically bring home ontop of the base these days per year?
Pre Covid, if you worked your butt off doing lots of days off and close to 1000 stick. An extra 50% on top of base pay.
Realistic working hard and not putting yourself in an early grave, an extra 33%.
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