Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Jetstar Aus/NZ Positions

Old 20th Feb 2019, 23:49
  #341 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 96
Originally Posted by Cleared for take-off View Post
How many on hold file at the moment? Would progression be similar on the 787 and narrowbody fleet be similiar times to mothership, what's the typical time frame? If 320 FO bid to fly the 787, what position do they move into?
Acording to the latest seniority list:

787 F/O approx 5 years from date of join.

A320 command currently around 6 years in Sydney.

Rough guides only of course as there are many variables, mainly how many extra airframes the A321LRs will result in.
ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2019, 02:54
  #342 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post


Acording to the latest seniority list:

787 F/O approx 5 years from date of join.

A320 command currently around 6 years in Sydney.

Rough guides only of course as there are many variables, mainly how many extra airframes the A321LRs will result in.
Whilst you're correct, it should be noted that time to command is going to blow out massively for anyone who joins now.
das Uber Soldat is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2019, 06:03
  #343 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Artic
Age: 39
Posts: 76
Be a good 10-12 yrs to command for the guys who started in the recruitment drive starting 2016 as all the entitled Cadets are starting to acquire the B/S ICUS and their 100hrs flying in circles in a diamond to get the hrs for the ATPL.

78 if they are still around be about 5-8 yrs in Mel, over 10yrs in any other base.
chickoroll is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2019, 06:33
  #344 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dunnunda
Posts: 467
You guys crack me up.

Lets run some ďwholeĒ numbers shall we.

call the fleet size ď50Ē. For optimism sake we will say they grow the fleet at 3% (which is more likely as shown with current fleet growth numbers).

3% Growth (Realistic)
10 years = 67 aircraft = 75 commands
15 years = 78 aircraft = 140 commands

6% Growth (Very Optimistic)
10 years = 90 aircraft = 200 commands
15 years = 120 aircraft = 350 commands

Now lets take into account retirements = 50 pilots over the next 10 years in JQ.

So in 10 years that will be 125 to 250 commands.

last Sydney command position 700.... (~70 FOís eligible for commands above the 700 line)

corrected commands 55-180 commands from 700 onwards in 10 years

Seniority numbers 791 to 976 will have commands by 2029 from today.

791, time to command 18 years time to command in a realistic environment with no downsizing.

976, time to command 12 years in an extremely good optimistic environment.


Last edited by Bula; 22nd Feb 2019 at 06:41.
Bula is online now  
Old 21st Feb 2019, 07:43
  #345 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 96
Originally Posted by chickoroll View Post
Be a good 10-12 yrs to command for the guys who started in the recruitment drive starting 2016 as all the entitled Cadets are starting to acquire the B/S ICUS and their 100hrs flying in circles in a diamond to get the hrs for the ATPL.

78 if they are still around be about 5-8 yrs in Mel, over 10yrs in any other base.
If you donít like cadets youíre in the wrong airline buddy
ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2019, 08:27
  #346 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Australia
Age: 28
Posts: 8
Does anybody actually know how you're selected from the hold file?
kaz890 is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2019, 11:10
  #347 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Singapore
Posts: 16
There's 3 main factors.

- Assessment day
- Notice period
- Company currently employed with

Notthisguy is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 01:07
  #348 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by Bula View Post
You guys crack me up.

Lets run some “whole” numbers shall we.

call the fleet size “50”. Asia Pacific growth rate 6%. For optimism sake we will say they grow the fleet at 6% rather then 3% and returning higher yields (which is more likely as shown with current fleet growth numbers).

10 years = 67 aircraft = 75 commands
15 years = 78 aircraft = 140 commands

Now lets take into retirements = 50 pilots over the next 10 years in JQ.

So in 10 years that will be 125 commands.

last Sydney command position 700. That’s 208 positions along. Down to position 908 in 10 years.... start date 2015.

And this assumes no Q numbers are used, and Widebody comfortable FOs stay that way for another 10 years.

if you take WB FO into account, the same position (908) is almost 20 years to a command.
eh?

A 6% growth rate in fleet size per year, starting at 50, would result in 89 aircraft after 10 years. Where did 67 come from?

In Sept 16, most junior captain was 511.

Dec 18, most junior captain is 700. Removing Q numbers (I rather doubt people will be heading from Q to JQ in the current environment), that's 115 people given the opportunity of command in the last 2.5 years. How does that mesh with your estimate of 125 in 10? Especially given there has been no fleet expansion at all in this time?

Further, at a minimum 20 FO's are off to mainline, and 2 captains, thats another 15% off the number of those ahead for someone who joined in 2016.

Indicators to me, given the possible expansion in relation to the arrival of the NEO, normal attrition and the departure of a few to mainline is of a normal 7-10 year timeframe to command from time of joining. 20 is absurd.
das Uber Soldat is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 02:47
  #349 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sydney
Posts: 89
When I joined, the going rate was 5-8 years off an upgrade. It’s turned put to be pretty much on the money (8 years)

There are so many factors that can affect this however, so your best bet is to get in and get a number.
MajorLemond is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 02:53
  #350 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Look up and wave
Posts: 359
If you want Sydney. Itíll be 7 odd years.

If you want anywhere else, itíll be a long long wait.
MACH082 is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 04:16
  #351 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Dunnunda
Posts: 228
Based on everything as it stands RIGHT NOW those sentiments above are probably something close to the mark. But itís a cut throat airli...... oh I mean low cost airline and anything/everything or absolutely nothing is only just around the corner, so try not to look too far into the crystal ball.
I wouldnít list Ďhow long to commandí as your sole prerequisite to an airline job. Realistically just GETTING INTO an airline takes significantly less than it once did and as a result movement is slower as what I believe is the collateral damage. Just get IN first then spend the rest of your FO career bitching about time to command just like we all did.
GA Driver is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 06:11
  #352 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dunnunda
Posts: 467
Sorry, yeah those figures are at the realistic 3% rather than 6%. Iíve corrected it.

just because those numbers have been given the opportunity, whatís the percentage of uptake? Itís exactly why the number has gone so low so quickly. The comfort WB FOS will move up sooner of later. Still a lot of commands to be given between 511 and 700.... 60 to be exact.

Last edited by Bula; 22nd Feb 2019 at 06:27.
Bula is online now  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 06:47
  #353 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 1
The percentage of uptake is irrelevant. If your goal is to pursue a command at JQ, then it is only the rate of offer of commands that really matters. 115 in 2.5 years with no fleet expansion (but certain expansion just around the corner) suggests to me that if a command is your goal, the timeframe will be significantly less than your estimate.

Once in however, maybe your goals change and like many, you elect to remain on the 787 has so many have done. Couple of 320 captains have even bid back to Fo's on the WB, as I'm sure you're aware.

Shrug.
das Uber Soldat is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 07:22
  #354 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dunnunda
Posts: 467
I hope youíre right uber. I just donít see it unless the NEOís start arriving as additions rather than a 1 to 1 swap.
Bula is online now  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 08:09
  #355 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 622
In 20 years thatís when the real fun will begin when a large generation of commercial pilots, who are the bulk of the current system, retire. The decline and lack of CPLís being issued is fairly disturbing in recent years.

Iíve seen some early examples of this in other countries with shortage on skippers, for those relying on cadet schemes to solve the problem, in that they get caught out in they canít upgrade FOís fast enough due lack of experience and extended training experience required for cadets.

Probably a good time in the next decade to kickstart learning to fly.
wheels_down is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2019, 19:06
  #356 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: back to the land of small pay and big bills
Age: 46
Posts: 1,056
mattyj is offline  
Old 26th Mar 2019, 11:07
  #357 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: shiny side up
Posts: 431
CAE Melbourne partners with Swinburne University of Technology to deliver this program for Jetstar. The Jetstar Cadet Pilot Program is an integrated flying training, flight theory and education program taking trainee pilots with zero or little flying experience* from ab initio to First or Second Officer positions within Jetstar Airways. It is a cadet pilot program whereby successful applicants will be offered a conditional offer of employment as a pilot by Jetstar Airways, subject to successful completion of the program.

This is an exceptional opportunity for aspiring pilots to train under the mentorship of Jetstar and go on to fly as First or Second Officers with the airline.


Jetstar Cadet program
Smythe is offline  
Old 26th Mar 2019, 12:25
  #358 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: UK/Aus
Posts: 90
It seemed to pop up on CAE's own website/Facebook page before Jetstar's own website - applications open until 30th April.

I know this isn't new, but frustrating that it is set up so that you have to cop the 25% FEE-HELP admin fee as it is undergrad.
thisishomebrand is online now  
Old 11th Apr 2019, 01:20
  #359 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Australia
Posts: 15
Regarding Cadet program;
How many will they take in and how long from zero to hero?
...as there are some of us on the hold file still from late 2017/early 2018; will these guys be taking those slots in the end?

Recruitment are now saying no foreseeable intake this year either, due to priority internal upgrades and transfers. Others are saying still possibility of 50+ FOs leaving to QF..!

Thoughts appreciated, thanks!
Sceva is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2019, 02:53
  #360 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 96
Hey Sceva,

are you a cadet cadet on hold or a direct entry on hold?

Cadets are being hired as 787 S/Os which will, continue through the year, however it is true that no F/O recruitment is planned this year. F/Os leaving for qantas won’t change things as we are already quite fat on F/Os.
ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.