Jetstar Aiming for 50% Gender Spilt in Interview Candidates
The air force can do as they please, but are any airlines currently performing positive gender discrimination? My impression, for the ones that pay for the cost of training at least, will have no desire to employ any substandard pilots that will cause unnecessary costs to their business.
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I'm sure it can't hurt being female if you are trying to get into Qantas at the moment.
It is rather sad seeing some less than capable females getting in ahead of some very good male operators.
I'm not at all against female pilots, and flown with some great ones, but have seen some shockers who got the nod from QF. Not all that fair really.
It is rather sad seeing some less than capable females getting in ahead of some very good male operators.
I'm not at all against female pilots, and flown with some great ones, but have seen some shockers who got the nod from QF. Not all that fair really.
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The social justice warriors will argue that the training standards now required "perpetuate white male privilege".
The standards will be lowered for women "because they have been systematically denied the privileges that allow men to succeed". For the same reason women will get mentored far more than any man and given multiple opportunities to try to pass the (reduced) standards that now apply.
This is very simply organised in a large company by requiring the training group to provide a comprehensive written report justifying why they failed a female candidate, then subjecting that report to independent review, followed by a full blown meeting at just below CEO level with a view to deciding if the fail should be accepted or retesting be required.
After about three of those reviews the training group will get the message, well, at least the new leaders of the training group will know whats expected.
That is apparently what is happening here and overseas.
The air force can do as they please, but are any airlines currently performing positive gender discrimination? My impression, for the ones that pay for the cost of training at least, will have no desire to employ any substandard pilots that will cause unnecessary costs to their business.
The standards will be lowered for women "because they have been systematically denied the privileges that allow men to succeed". For the same reason women will get mentored far more than any man and given multiple opportunities to try to pass the (reduced) standards that now apply.
This is very simply organised in a large company by requiring the training group to provide a comprehensive written report justifying why they failed a female candidate, then subjecting that report to independent review, followed by a full blown meeting at just below CEO level with a view to deciding if the fail should be accepted or retesting be required.
After about three of those reviews the training group will get the message, well, at least the new leaders of the training group will know whats expected.
That is apparently what is happening here and overseas.
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Unfortunately a true statement.
Female Air Force pilots are given opportunities not available to male pilots of same seniority.
Male pilots forced into ground jobs the women don't want.
When female pilots do not make the required standard instructors are told not to fail them.
When male pilots get so fed up with the place and are harassed into a resignation they face reprisals for trying to leave and told they will "never fly again."
Female Air Force pilots are given opportunities not available to male pilots of same seniority.
Male pilots forced into ground jobs the women don't want.
When female pilots do not make the required standard instructors are told not to fail them.
When male pilots get so fed up with the place and are harassed into a resignation they face reprisals for trying to leave and told they will "never fly again."
From The Age article "Time to 'up the ante' to get more female pilots says Qantas boss Alan Joyce" - selected quotes.
Never mind that they may not want to be pilots - we're gonna make 'em fly!
In a bid to lift women pilots in Australia, Qantas boss Alan Joyce has committed to a goal of at least 50 per cent women in its pilot cadet intake in a decade's time.
Qantas will commit to a 20 per cent intake of women in its 2018 cadet program, and double that number over the next decade to reach gender parity, at intake.
"We must work at the grassroots level to encourage girls and women into studies that can lead to a career in aviation," Mr Joyce will say.
"We just need to reinforce the message that girls and women belong in technical jobs."
"We just need to reinforce the message that girls and women belong in technical jobs."
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Is there any place or organisation where we can bring up this issue?
I honestly feel discriminated against because i’m a male.
For Christ sake why can’t individuals be assessed on personal merit?
I honestly feel discriminated against because i’m a male.
For Christ sake why can’t individuals be assessed on personal merit?
No, there's no organisation that you can bring this up with.
In the words of Chief of Air Force (2013 - when queried on the legalities of the RAAF's policy on female pilot applicants) - "Positive discrimination is LEGAL."
In the words of Chief of Air Force (2013 - when queried on the legalities of the RAAF's policy on female pilot applicants) - "Positive discrimination is LEGAL."
In this day and age, it's probably easier to change your gender, get the job and then change it back.
OMFG,
The whinny white men are out in force again complaining about how they're being discriminated against.
I'd say the female pilots I've flown with, on average, have been of a higher standard than the males.
The whinny white men are out in force again complaining about how they're being discriminated against.
I'd say the female pilots I've flown with, on average, have been of a higher standard than the males.
Good stuff, I'm glad to hear it and have had a similar experience myself with female pilots. But you haven't been reading very closely, exfocx, have you, because this is not an argument about that. This is about people of any gender getting a job based on merit - NOT based on their gender "cause we are going to employ 50% this or that..."
By the way - it's "whiny"...
By the way - it's "whiny"...
Nah, you haven't quite gotten the gist of that video - which was pretty funny, thanks for posting.
Soy Boys would actually be the advocates of artificially increasing the percentage representation of female pilots - perhaps like exfocx (unless exfocx IS a "she", in which case she couldn't be a Soy Boy - well, I guess she could, but that's another discussion...)
Soy Boys would actually be the advocates of artificially increasing the percentage representation of female pilots - perhaps like exfocx (unless exfocx IS a "she", in which case she couldn't be a Soy Boy - well, I guess she could, but that's another discussion...)
Irrelevant. This is not about the standards of each gender, this is about artificially inflating the numbers of a particular gender to meet a ridiculous quota thus giving said gender an unfair advantage irrespective of how good they perform as a pilot.
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Is having a level playing field where applicants are scored on their performance during assesment day too much to ask?
I’m so sick of this PC crap getting rammed down our throats in Australia.
I’m so sick of this PC crap getting rammed down our throats in Australia.
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If you really think about it, it is not politically correct at all. How is discriminating against a gender to meet a quote for the other gender politically correct. Only because it satisfies the feminazis is it seen to be politically correct.
Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Could you imagine the outrage if there was a story where despite 90% of nursing graduates being female, a large hospital (or the public health system) committed itself to ensuring that 50% of new hires were male.
The feminazis would be rioting in the streets and setting fire to cars...