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Jetstar Aiming for 50% Gender Spilt in Interview Candidates

Old 19th Aug 2017, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Frank_The_Tank View Post
Hi there. I am an indigenous lesbian. I don't have a CPL but I heard there was a direct entry wide-body command available for me?
You're not related to a whale by any chance? If so, CEO material right there.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 14:19
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The air force can do as they please, but are any airlines currently performing positive gender discrimination? My impression, for the ones that pay for the cost of training at least, will have no desire to employ any substandard pilots that will cause unnecessary costs to their business.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 14:35
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I'm sure it can't hurt being female if you are trying to get into Qantas at the moment.
It is rather sad seeing some less than capable females getting in ahead of some very good male operators.
I'm not at all against female pilots, and flown with some great ones, but have seen some shockers who got the nod from QF. Not all that fair really.
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 00:57
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dr dre:
The air force can do as they please, but are any airlines currently performing positive gender discrimination? My impression, for the ones that pay for the cost of training at least, will have no desire to employ any substandard pilots that will cause unnecessary costs to their business.
The social justice warriors will argue that the training standards now required "perpetuate white male privilege".

The standards will be lowered for women "because they have been systematically denied the privileges that allow men to succeed". For the same reason women will get mentored far more than any man and given multiple opportunities to try to pass the (reduced) standards that now apply.

This is very simply organised in a large company by requiring the training group to provide a comprehensive written report justifying why they failed a female candidate, then subjecting that report to independent review, followed by a full blown meeting at just below CEO level with a view to deciding if the fail should be accepted or retesting be required.

After about three of those reviews the training group will get the message, well, at least the new leaders of the training group will know whats expected.

That is apparently what is happening here and overseas.
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 02:48
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"Positive gender discrimination". Discrimination is discrimination no matter how you spin it.

Is the expression "affirmative action" not in vogue these days.
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 03:57
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Originally Posted by Joker89 View Post
Unfortunately a true statement.

Female Air Force pilots are given opportunities not available to male pilots of same seniority.

Male pilots forced into ground jobs the women don't want.

When female pilots do not make the required standard instructors are told not to fail them.

When male pilots get so fed up with the place and are harassed into a resignation they face reprisals for trying to leave and told they will "never fly again."
Excuse the thread drift, but the RAAF has well and truly let the tail wag the dog WRT the HRC latest efforts. It's creating issues where they are not needed and undoing the good work of years and years of RAAF training methodology and standardisation, all for addressing a gender gap that has been self correcting over time. The bosses are speed bumps in the face of what's coming and the exodus of QFI's and checkies will speak for itself. We all just want to work and commit to getting the job done, and not deal with agendas being driven by external influences. Rant complete
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 01:54
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From The Age article "Time to 'up the ante' to get more female pilots says Qantas boss Alan Joyce" - selected quotes.
In a bid to lift women pilots in Australia, Qantas boss Alan Joyce has committed to a goal of at least 50 per cent women in its pilot cadet intake in a decade's time.
Qantas will commit to a 20 per cent intake of women in its 2018 cadet program, and double that number over the next decade to reach gender parity, at intake.
"We must work at the grassroots level to encourage girls and women into studies that can lead to a career in aviation," Mr Joyce will say.
"We just need to reinforce the message that girls and women belong in technical jobs."
Never mind that they may not want to be pilots - we're gonna make 'em fly!
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 06:17
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https://www.3aw.com.au/tom-elliott-b...-pilot-target/


Good minute and a half rant from Tom Elliott at 3AW here.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 07:37
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Is there any place or organisation where we can bring up this issue?

I honestly feel discriminated against because iím a male.

For Christ sake why canít individuals be assessed on personal merit?
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 09:08
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No, there's no organisation that you can bring this up with.
In the words of Chief of Air Force (2013 - when queried on the legalities of the RAAF's policy on female pilot applicants) - "Positive discrimination is LEGAL."
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 10:35
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In this day and age, it's probably easier to change your gender, get the job and then change it back.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 11:35
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In this day and age, it's probably easier to change your gender, get the job and then change it back.
HR would be frothing at the mouth at the prospect of employing a transgender pilot. You could probably bypass the psychometric and SIM screening entirely if you were one of these lucky minorities...
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 12:23
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OMFG,

The whinny white men are out in force again complaining about how they're being discriminated against.

I'd say the female pilots I've flown with, on average, have been of a higher standard than the males.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 12:31
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Good stuff, I'm glad to hear it and have had a similar experience myself with female pilots. But you haven't been reading very closely, exfocx, have you, because this is not an argument about that. This is about people of any gender getting a job based on merit - NOT based on their gender "cause we are going to employ 50% this or that..."
By the way - it's "whiny"...
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 12:41
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
The whinny white men are out in force again complaining about how they're being discriminated against...
I think they call them Soy Boys...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FTSvLKY7HEk
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 13:09
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Nah, you haven't quite gotten the gist of that video - which was pretty funny, thanks for posting.
Soy Boys would actually be the advocates of artificially increasing the percentage representation of female pilots - perhaps like exfocx (unless exfocx IS a "she", in which case she couldn't be a Soy Boy - well, I guess she could, but that's another discussion...)
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 22:26
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
OMFG,

I'd say the female pilots I've flown with, on average, have been of a higher standard than the males.


Irrelevant. This is not about the standards of each gender, this is about artificially inflating the numbers of a particular gender to meet a ridiculous quota thus giving said gender an unfair advantage irrespective of how good they perform as a pilot.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 22:59
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Some elements of the report I agree with. Fighter pilots are arrogant. And there were some spelling mistakes as well.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 23:10
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
OMFG,

The whinny white men are out in force again complaining about how they're being discriminated against.

I'd say the female pilots I've flown with, on average, have been of a higher standard than the males.
They probably had a higher standard of literacy than you too.
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 00:17
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Is having a level playing field where applicants are scored on their performance during assesment day too much to ask?

Iím so sick of this PC crap getting rammed down our throats in Australia.

Last edited by Flyboy1987; 24th Nov 2017 at 00:18. Reason: Typo
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