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Old 1st Jun 2016, 13:03
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She must be a tight ship over at QLink recruitment, that or there's nothing to report!
I answered this question in a post on 9th Apr where I told you guys the traineeship was a premature announcement and completely unprepared. I made mention of the fact that the company didn't even know where the traineeship was going to be conducted. Why they advertised for a traineeship when they a) don't need it, and b) have no plan to facilitate it... Is beyond me. But unfortunately that's kind of how this airline works.

I'm sure you guys will hear back from them about it sooner or later, but I don't think they're in any rush.
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Old 2nd Jun 2016, 00:21
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The Japan sim is only used when the Sydney sim is at full capacity or maintenance. It is a Q400 sim. It is unlikely to be used for endorsements simply due to the costs. Then again Seattle was used at one stage, however I dont see a repeat of that again. 😆
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Old 2nd Jun 2016, 00:49
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Given the sim rates are all done in USD, it won't see much use unless absolutely necessary.

Even the cyclic program sims aren't going to Japan anymore
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Old 2nd Jun 2016, 02:39
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I've heard this could be at the Aviation Australia 737 SIM where they are doing the MCC courses.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 09:31
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Interesting.... I got an email from HR this morning saying "thanks, but no thanks", and 90 minutes later got an invitation to Sydney for assessment and sim ride. Happy to have received the second email I must say. Direct entry of course.

However, I'm in the dark as to what to expect for either the assessment or sim ride. Can anybody enlighten me please.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 05:14
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Originally Posted by Attitude! View Post
Interesting.... I got an email from HR this morning saying "thanks, but no thanks", and 90 minutes later got an invitation to Sydney for assessment and sim ride. Happy to have received the second email I must say. Direct entry of course.

However, I'm in the dark as to what to expect for either the assessment or sim ride. Can anybody enlighten me please.
You wouldn't be the first to get the no/hang on..yes

Interview is all behavioural 30-45 minutes, Sim most likely 767 with all info emailed to you once you lock in an interview slot. Both completed on the same day now.

To give all a bit of an insight - approx 45 already on the hold file I.e been successful with the interview and sim and waiting for a ground school. 1300 applications in the system. 6x300 6x400 max every 6 weeks - expect some courses to have less due to internal conversions. With that math, if your're not already on hold I wouldn't expect a start until 2017.

As for level 1 or 2 entries..highly doubt they need pilots with such low time at this stage.

All the best.

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Old 9th Jun 2016, 08:07
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Originally Posted by Fujiroll76 View Post
You wouldn't be the first to get the no/hang on..yes

Interview is all behavioural 30-45 minutes, Sim most likely 767 with all info emailed to you once you lock in an interview slot. Both completed on the same day now.

To give all a bit of an insight - approx 45 already on the hold file I.e been successful with the interview and sim and waiting for a ground school. 1300 applications in the system. 6x300 6x400 max every 6 weeks - expect some courses to have less due to internal conversions. With that math, if your're not already on hold I wouldn't expect a start until 2017.

As for level 1 or 2 entries..highly doubt they need pilots with such low time at this stage.

All the best.

Fuji
6x300 and 6x400 - are you referring to Q300 and Q400 courses?
If so, are you aware when they will run Q400 courses??
Cheers.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 12:14
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Originally Posted by QNH1020 View Post
6x300 and 6x400 - are you referring to Q300 and Q400 courses?
If so, are you aware when they will run Q400 courses??
Cheers.
They'll run concurrently with the 200/300 course (you fly both models if allocated the classic/sustaining fleet). Many of the ground school topics overlap, apart from the obvious like systems and sims. This is why both fleet courses have recently been run at the same time.

For those playing along at home and don't understand how they come up with available positions, it happens like this in this hypothetical scenario:

1. Company advertises internally what positions are available. Existing pilots get first shot. For example: 6 x 200/300 SYD FOs, 4 x Q400 BNE FOs, 2 x Q400 CNS FOs.

2. Let's say no one bids for the SYD or CNS positions - they're all available for new trainees. However, 2 x Q400 BNE positions are taken by existing BNE 200/300 pilots. Therefore 2 of the Q400 BNE positions are gone, but 2 are still available for trainees.

3. Now the following positions are available for new pilots: 200/300 - 6 x SYD, 2 x BNE Q400, 2 x CNS Q400. Chances are 2 x 200/300 BNE jobs are now also available for trainees.

4. The recruitment team pick the 12 most competitive applicants from the hold file. If possible, they'll award your base preference. In the above scenario, if you wanted SYD or BNE, you should be sweet. If you wanted ADL, because no positions are available, they might offer one of the CNS positions instead to get you on the Sunstate seniority list.

5. Out of the 4 new BNE pilots, the new guys with the most experience will be offered the Q400 roles. The least experience guys will get the 200/300. Only exception is if someone drops out (or fails the pre-employment medical etc.), the next most suitable guy on the hold file will get a late call up and take whatever fleet the initial trainee was supposed to get.

A bit of a long winded post, but shows that a lot of things are in motion. It wouldn't be a good move to try to hold out for a Q400 - in the meantime a bunch of guys will join the seniority list and slow down your future career progression. If base is important to you, think about the two different seniority lists (this has all been discussed before on Qlink recruitment threads). BNE, CNS, ADL are Sunstate seniority lists, SYD, MEL, MQL are Eastern.

If you want to eventually get to ADL, a BNE or CNS job would be a good move. There's nothing stopping you from taking an Eastern base initially, but all the Sunstate pilots would have to turn down the ADL role first before Eastern pilots get a shot.

Lots of hypothetical examples given in this post, but hope it helps.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 14:04
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Originally Posted by VH-FTS View Post
They'll run concurrently with the 200/300 course (you fly both models if allocated the classic/sustaining fleet). Many of the ground school topics overlap, apart from the obvious like systems and sims. This is why both fleet courses have recently been run at the same time.

For those playing along at home and don't understand how they come up with available positions, it happens like this in this hypothetical scenario:

1. Company advertises internally what positions are available. Existing pilots get first shot. For example: 6 x 200/300 SYD FOs, 4 x Q400 BNE FOs, 2 x Q400 CNS FOs.

2. Let's say no one bids for the SYD or CNS positions - they're all available for new trainees. However, 2 x Q400 BNE positions are taken by existing BNE 200/300 pilots. Therefore 2 of the Q400 BNE positions are gone, but 2 are still available for trainees.

3. Now the following positions are available for new pilots: 200/300 - 6 x SYD, 2 x BNE Q400, 2 x CNS Q400. Chances are 2 x 200/300 BNE jobs are now also available for trainees.

4. The recruitment team pick the 12 most competitive applicants from the hold file. If possible, they'll award your base preference. In the above scenario, if you wanted SYD or BNE, you should be sweet. If you wanted ADL, because no positions are available, they might offer one of the CNS positions instead to get you on the Sunstate seniority list.

5. Out of the 4 new BNE pilots, the new guys with the most experience will be offered the Q400 roles. The least experience guys will get the 200/300. Only exception is if someone drops out (or fails the pre-employment medical etc.), the next most suitable guy on the hold file will get a late call up and take whatever fleet the initial trainee was supposed to get.

A bit of a long winded post, but shows that a lot of things are in motion. It wouldn't be a good move to try to hold out for a Q400 - in the meantime a bunch of guys will join the seniority list and slow down your future career progression. If base is important to you, think about the two different seniority lists (this has all been discussed before on Qlink recruitment threads). BNE, CNS, ADL are Sunstate seniority lists, SYD, MEL, MQL are Eastern.

If you want to eventually get to ADL, a BNE or CNS job would be a good move. There's nothing stopping you from taking an Eastern base initially, but all the Sunstate pilots would have to turn down the ADL role first before Eastern pilots get a shot.

Lots of hypothetical examples given in this post, but hope it helps.
VH-FTS thanks for your response!
I take it from your post that there won't be any chance of getting a SYD Q400 slot?
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 19:48
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More experience won't necessarily get you the Q400. The opposite happened in ground schools when I started and is still happening today.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 21:36
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
More experience won't necessarily get you the Q400. The opposite happened in ground schools when I started and is still happening today.
Not in the recent ground schools, what I mentioned happened.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 21:56
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It happened in probably the ground school before last. The highest player for Sunstate in that ground school is on the Classic, all other on the Q400.

Bit of a sore spot apparently.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 02:26
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
It happened in probably the ground school before last. The highest player for Sunstate in that ground school is on the Classic, all other on the Q400.

Bit of a sore spot apparently.
That's me you're talking about, and it's not a sore spot at all. A 300 position opened up late (think someone dropped out) and it was offered to me. The other guys had already been offered the Q400.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 02:45
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Fair enough, I'd heard a different version. Glad you were able to pick up a spot.

Enjoy club classic and the SYD overnights!
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Old 13th Jun 2016, 04:43
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Got a linkedin message form a qantas recruitment advisor encouraging me to apply. Of course I already had months ago and she confirmed my application and told me they would start the first stage of the assessments in July

I am in the traineeship level 2 category, so I'm not sure if its both levels that are kicking off in July, or just level 2
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Old 13th Jun 2016, 10:27
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Level 1 or Level 2

Has anyone who applied before they separated the Level 1 and 2 applications been put in the incorrect category?

I applied when they were combined as one (which has now been renamed level 2 but the criteria that I selected only met the minimums for level 1).

Anyone else noticed this?
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Old 13th Jun 2016, 11:57
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Originally Posted by QNH1020 View Post
VH-FTS thanks for your response!
I take it from your post that there won't be any chance of getting a SYD Q400 slot?
Sorry, just saw your post.

Some new pilots recently were assigned the Q400 & SYD, but they were the most experienced in their group. All depends on any current Eastern pilots bidding for Q400 positions and new recruits will get what is left over. I believe though SYD is very short on classic FOs, so who knows exactly what will come up.

If not flying the Q400 is a deal breaker though you need to seriously reconsider your application. The money is not that different between types and I would have thought you'd be happy to fly either type if given an opportunity with the company.
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Old 13th Jun 2016, 14:34
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Originally Posted by VH-FTS View Post
Sorry, just saw your post.

Some new pilots recently were assigned the Q400 & SYD, but they were the most experienced in their group. All depends on any current Eastern pilots bidding for Q400 positions and new recruits will get what is left over. I believe though SYD is very short on classic FOs, so who knows exactly what will come up.

If not flying the Q400 is a deal breaker though you need to seriously reconsider your application. The money is not that different between types and I would have thought you'd be happy to fly either type if given an opportunity with the company.
Thanks for your response VH-FTS
Was mainly seeking what was the general recruitment for fleets in SYD. As much as it would be nice to fly the Q400, by no means it is a deal breaker. Classic fleet would be perfectly fine! More just looking for an opportunity.
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Old 13th Jun 2016, 22:20
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Originally Posted by QNH1020 View Post
Thanks for your response VH-FTS
Was mainly seeking what was the general recruitment for fleets in SYD. As much as it would be nice to fly the Q400, by no means it is a deal breaker. Classic fleet would be perfectly fine! More just looking for an opportunity.
Sounds good. The opportunity will be there to fly it down the track if assigned the classic initially. You're not stuck on one type for life and can bid on to the Q400.
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Old 13th Jun 2016, 22:46
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I flew the 100/200/300 initially before moving over to the 400, and personally I found the transition a lot easier than moving straight onto the Q400 from what others have told me. Either way, it is a lot of fun! As FTS said, opportunities pop up often enough. Just enjoy the moment, if you get in :-)
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