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Old 3rd May 2016, 22:34
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Originally Posted by Spoons9 View Post
Seriously?! Pull your head in mate. If you're this disenfranchised, quit.
I'm with Spoons on this one, although alot easier to say than do. Qlink really isn't that bad though. Yes it has its issues like any large company, however if you go to work do your job properly and safely, return home pickup your pay cheque all isn't that bad. If you want to see disheartened maybe you should peruse the Middle East threads Divosh.😊
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Old 4th May 2016, 00:57
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Spoons9

I'm curious, did you create your Prune Id simply to have a go at a post I wrote three weeks ago? Kind of says more about you than me, IMHO!

"If you don't like it, leave" was the Qlink management motto back in the old days. It fell out of favour when the previous General Manager (NK) said those very words to a group of Brisbane Captains who met him to complain about their workload. Ten of them proceeded to leave over the next four months.

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Old 9th May 2016, 14:04
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Hi all,

Just thought i would share my experience to date for those interested in the L1 and L2 process. I recently spoke to one of the people at Qantas People Services overseeing the applications for the Traineeship (not D/E), querying what the expected time frames would be to hear back on receiving the first stage of Assessment (Psychometric Testing with SHL).

At this stage, they apparently have no plan to send out assessment invites to any of the L1 & L2 applications (unless in some instances they have significant command experience and TT, in which case they are moving them across to the D/E Stream). The reason for this is that they don't have a clear plan for them in place at the moment i.e. progression pathways etc. They are also concerned that if they hire a tonne of green pilots that they will all come up for command around the same time, with limited opportunities available. They will then do what a lot of the prior trainees did and bail for another airline, essentially negating all of the effort that has been put into getting them there in the fist place.

There are apparently a lot of discussions going on about creating a pathway from QLink into Mainline or other companies in the group to make sure that all pilots recruited are, as much as possible, recruited for a career, not a 5 year stint.

Apparently they are also not prioritising D/E once this is in place (they are only looking at D/E at the moment though), as they can then put L1 and L2 candidates through with a few D/E candidates, so there are varying experience levels providing mentoring for the less experienced, as well as ensuring that you don't all come up for command at the same time with the same experience levels. This also allows the process to be competitive on both levels, aviation experience and life/employment experience and suitability. As i think someone mentioned in the thread earlier, there are no doubt always going to be plenty of pilots who will meet Direct Entry requirements, but they aren't all necessarily going to be suitable.

When pressed for a date that assessment would be sent out, I was told at this stage hopefully June, possibly July, so those who keep saying patience, you are on the money

Therefore I am just working my butt off to get my final ATPL's done to hopefully give me a better chance and also keeping an eye on options for moving north for work.
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Old 10th May 2016, 10:29
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Hi Fysh,

Yep you and me both And they obviously seem very keen on facilitating that now which is really positive so just got to hurry up and wait I guess Will keep updating with any info I get throughout the process.
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Old 10th May 2016, 11:31
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There are a number of us up here waiting on QLink and excited by the prospect of staying within the group for life
Sort of reminds me of that 'Jet" carrot.
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Old 15th May 2016, 22:54
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There will never be a path from Qlink to mainline unless mainline do the recruiting for Qlink, and Qlink won't want that! Just a carrot to stem the flow.

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Old 16th May 2016, 00:50
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Originally Posted by Soup Nazi View Post
There will never be a path from Qlink to mainline unless mainline do the recruiting for Qlink, and Qlink won't want that! Just a carrot to stem the flow.

SN
Soup I suspect you are right, which makes me wonder what advantage Qlink pilots will have, if any, with a pathway into Jetstar?
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Old 16th May 2016, 02:03
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There will be a token few just to create some hope but thats where it will end. I guess we are just plain not good enough!

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Old 16th May 2016, 13:31
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Any idea for time to command as an experienced DE F/O, Brisbane based?
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Old 16th May 2016, 21:58
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Originally Posted by mach decimal 83 View Post
Any idea for time to command as an experienced DE F/O, Brisbane based?
Experience will offer little advantage in my opinion as the time to command will be around the order of 5 to 7 years I suspect, by which time those with low hours and ahead on seniority will have met the command hour requirements. Then there is the command assessment 😊.
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Old 16th May 2016, 22:15
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Density is correct,

Seniority is all that matters. Even those with low hours will have all of the requirements by the time their number comes up.
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Old 16th May 2016, 22:30
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Time to command is impossible to pre determine. There are a core group that will never leave (probably too burnt out to bother!) and there are the remainder who are more motivated career wise. I would say they comprise about 50% of the total. If they turn over quick then command comes quick, it all depends on whats on offer elsewhere. At the moment it appears theres a lot on offer and Qlink (sunnies and eastern) doesn't offer career progression, just some meagre attempt to sway a few to stay in the hope that it will slow the flow to a more manageable number.

It should come as no surprise as it's a time honoured tradition after all and plenty fall for it first time round.

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Old 17th May 2016, 06:34
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Has anyone who applied shortly after the job was first listed noticed that their application has defaulted to an application for the "Level 2" traineeship even if only the level 1 criteria were selected?

At first both were grouped together as one application but there is now a separate one for the two levels.

Has this same error happened to everyone?

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Old 17th May 2016, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Density View Post
Experience will offer little advantage in my opinion as the time to command will be around the order of 5 to 7 years I suspect, by which time those with low hours and ahead on seniority will have met the command hour requirements. Then there is the command assessment 😊.
Thank you Sir. Much appreciated.
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Old 17th May 2016, 11:39
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And if you decide to pursue QantasLink and end up getting in, better change your PPRuNe name to Mach decimal 5
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Old 17th May 2016, 12:00
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If you're lucky in a Q400 at ISA-10.
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Old 1st Jun 2016, 09:32
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Speaking only from the inside, we've been told recruitment through to at least June next year. I believe courses are 6 weeks apart. Not sure what stage you're at, but there will be plenty of positions available in the near future.
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Old 1st Jun 2016, 09:33
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Nothing new that hasn't already been said about the frequency of groundschools.
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Old 1st Jun 2016, 11:12
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2 people to start on the next ground school next week. A few command upgrades and conversion training taking place. Only enough spots for 12 training movements every 6 weeks
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Old 1st Jun 2016, 11:31
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2 people to start on the next ground school next week. A few command upgrades and conversion training taking place. Only enough spots for 12 training movements every 6 weeks
This is all clearly direct entry stuff.

I don't think anyone has heard back about the traineeship at this stage (which is what this thread is about)
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