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Qantas Link Trainee First Officer Level 1&2

Old 14th Apr 2016, 07:33
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Does anyone know if they are still recruiting for the Jetstar NZ operation or is that all done and dusted ?

If so how are they fitting the recruitment and training in with the Qlink requirements ?
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 09:23
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Currently going through direct FO process myself. Have been invited to stage three.
Panel Interview and Sim session. Have been given some dates to choose from. No other info was given. More info will be given once my availability is confirmed.
So process is starting. Haven't heard anything back yet, as they must be sorting out everyone and then will be given a date to attend.
Good luck everyone.
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 03:14
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Anybody still doesn't know what Qlink is gonna do with Trainee Level 1 guys? Is Qlink going to send them to UNSW to finish the rest of ATPL written tests? or give these dudes a certain time frame to complete all ATPL written tests?
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 05:45
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Is your cover letter and resume written as well as your post?
What's your problem? Is it a crime to ask a question nowadays? And yeah, they are written. Why don't you just bugger off if you can't offer an answer?
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 07:17
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Verbal reasoning fail.
Whatever you say, you knee-jerk disrespectful dumb arse. If you ain't offering an answer and be helpful to another, just keep your mouth shut and mind your own business.
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 07:22
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Whatever you say, you knee-jerk disrespectful dumb arse.
Personality test fail.
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 07:28
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Personality test fail.
Why thank you. I don't stand still and say nothing to those who offend me first when I didn't do anything wrong. Perhaps you think to differ.
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 08:05
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Is your cover letter and your resume written as well as your post is written?
Your English grammar is almost as good! :-)

Yes you better get a handle of using the correct phraseology! "Pull fuel-hyd off handle.....pull" can be a mouthful in the heat of the moment :-)
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 08:20
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Wow!

lee_apromise

Here's a top tip:

If your response to

Is your cover letter and your resume written as well as your post is written?
is

What's your problem? Is it a crime to ask a question nowadays? And yeah, they are written. Why don't you just bugger off if you can't offer an answer?
and

Whatever you say, you knee-jerk disrespectful dumb arse. If you ain't offering an answer and be helpful to another, just keep your mouth shut and mind your own business.
don't bother coming here.

Your grammar and spelling were poor. However, the response from AreaRuleAce was about a 2 out of 10, as far as criticism goes.


What are you going to say during your interview if the interviewer gives you a bit of a rough time (they've been known to do that). Are you going to flare up at him? Tell him to bugger off? Call him a disrespectful dumb arse?

How about if you get through. During your endorsement training your Sim trainer gets stuck into you about some poor performance? Going to flare up at him/her?

You wont last long.

Learn how to deal with criticism.

DIVOSH!
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 08:34
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If you make through the selection process, You'll be eaten alive during your training (classroom/sim/line) with an attitude like that.

As has been mentioned before, QLink's HR and Training departments are running flat out. They probably don't know for sure yet how it'll pan out. Once they have a concrete process, no doubt they let UNSW know.
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 08:39
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Di_Vosh

Thank you for your kind remarks and your advice is fully appreciated and I do mean it.

As an ex-engineer and ex-F/O trying to get back to flying after 2 years of recovery from surgeries, I do know when to bend over during interviews and type rating training. I am not an idiot.

I do admit I lost my cool and it is probably because I am under a lot of pressure lately.

Nevertheless, I fully recognise my childish behaviour and I do apologise to the rest of PPRuNe fellow members for disturbing the peace of this great forum.

Lee

Your grammar and spelling were poor. However, the response from AreaRuleAce was about a 2 out of 10, as far as criticism goes.


What are you going to say during your interview if the interviewer gives you a bit of a rough time (they've been known to do that). Are you going to flare up at him? Tell him to bugger off? Call him a disrespectful dumb arse?

How about if you get through. During your endorsement training your Sim trainer gets stuck into you about some poor performance? Going to flare up at him/her?

You wont last long.

Learn how to deal with criticism.

DIVOSH!
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 08:39
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For those freaking out about traineeship interview dates, have you considered there is no rush while they are getting a good number of direct entry applications?
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 23:10
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For those freaking out about traineeship interview dates, have you considered there is no rush while they are getting a good number of direct entry applications?
There must be a reason that they want both direct entry and traineeship applicants employed within the group.

I would suggest that there would never be a shortage of direct entry applicants in Australia with 700+ hours of command.

If they are short on applicants with twin or turbine time, they could still just reduce the direct entry requirements for those parameters and still get a truckload of applicants who are way more experienced than a fresh CPL with 150 hours (once again, I would be surprised if there is ever a shortage of applicants with 200+ hours of twin time anyway).
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 02:12
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The only reason they would want trainees in the group is because they recently incorporated a lower pay scale for less experienced pilots into the EBA.
Could it also be that they consider the less experienced pilots will have lower prospects of being able to move on and go elsewhere given that they will have only F/O time and no twin command time even after several years of employment.

An experienced GA pilot, even after only serving as an F/O within the group, will quite possibly have 500+ hours of twin command time from elsewhere that will enable him/her to move on to bigger and better things when the opportunity arises.

Just a thought...
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 02:15
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Originally Posted by LongLats View Post
The only reason they would want trainees in the group is because they recently incorporated a lower pay scale for less experienced pilots into the EBA. We all saw this coming. Please see the thread titled, "Sunstate pilot's Reps undercut Eastern pilots AGAIN" for more information as to why you'll be paid substantially less than your colleagues who are doing the exact same job as you. (I'm not trying to start another war here, just directing people to a thread that chronicles our most recent EBA).

But then again they're a pretty ethical company, they wouldn't exploit the desperation of young pilots in Australia would they?
If that's the case, why did they have a trainee program in place under the previous EBA when there was no economic benefit?

A traineeship potentially lets them get a longer return of service, the lower pay is just a bonus. The bigger issue seems they need FOs now, and direct entry guys can be trained up much faster (solving issues in the short term).
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 02:44
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My guess is the reason they hire 'Trainee' pilots is so this exact problem will occur less frequently. Pilots entering the company with lower hours than your regular D/E pilot will have to remain in the company longer to get anywhere in their career. A D/E might have the time/experience/qualifications to move on in their career within just a few years. Where as trainees with extremely limited experience and command time have to stick around.
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 04:14
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I think some of you are reading too much into this.

IIRC, the reason that the traineeships were begun in the past was that there were insufficient numbers of DE applicants.

And while I might agree with

I would suggest that there would never be a shortage of direct entry applicants in Australia with 700+ hours of command.
I would counter with a point of view that there may be a shortage of suitable applicants.

IMHO, Qlink management agree, so in an attempt to broaden the range of applicants, the Traineeship (in whatever form it takes) is kept open.

DIVOSH!

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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 04:48
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A traineeship potentially lets them get a longer return of service, the lower pay is just a bonus
Yeah, you're probably right about lower pay just being a bonus. I retract my opinion that cheaper wages would be their primary motivation.

I would counter with a point of view that there may be a shortage of suitable applicants.
Also right DIVOSH.
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Old 27th Apr 2016, 13:30
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Are they doing something rare for most operators in Aus, and trying to think ahead and plan for a possible short term boom, but not backing it up by being unprepared for how to actually insert any selected (non DE) candidates into the system in a timely manner. They need to be trained, checked to line etc and the current system can only do 10-15 candidates over 6 weeks at a time as far as I know (UNSW was not approved yet with the last news I heard- has that changed?) and only FTA are doing it?

I see the second half of this year there being a lot of movement, but there is a massive queue of experienced guys and gals waiting and ready to go due to the stagnancy over the last few years.

Still , like many idiotic pilots, and despite plenty of evidence (which I ignore) to the contrary I'm positive about the future..
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Old 3rd May 2016, 12:30
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Originally Posted by Di_Vosh View Post

If you're planning to work for Qlink, get used to feeling disheartened.

DIVOSH!
Seriously?! Pull your head in mate. If you're this disenfranchised, quit.
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