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Old 18th Feb 2016, 10:10
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so, is the nz operation profitable ollie?
Which bit? I doubt the turboprop part is yet, its only a few months old, and still heavily supported by the mothership in both crew resources and training. But I suppose in that case it depends on who is footing the bill for all the extra work needed to keep it in the air.
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Old 18th Feb 2016, 18:48
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As with all these things Waren9 it is hard to determine exactly. The Jetstar NZ operation gets split in two when it comes to profit/loss. All the Tasman sectors which are the majority of the flying have the profits/loss allocated to Jetstar International profit/losses. Only the pure domestic operations fall under Jetstar NZ, during the last financial year the domestic JET operation was 7 figure profitable.

As for the Dash 8, that is setup under an entirely separate company again with the aircraft and majority of crew currently provided by Qantas....... So your guess is as good as mine. I would think that with the massive amounts of resource being thrown at it there is no way it doing anything than losing loads of cash.
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 04:30
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If appalling OTP = loss then they are probably insolvent
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 06:55
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That's the funny thing chris, OTP, bad customer service and bad press doesn't seem to affect the bottom line at all! Just look at Ryanair!
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 09:58
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So many under educated muppets on here ramble on about how inefficient the B717 is and how it's be replaced by a jet that has 70+ more seats. Please do us a favour, go back to uni or where ever and learn about RPKs, fuel burn, etc etc. go read about the B717 and how other airlines use it and what sectors it does.

There's obviously a market in Australia for an aircraft of that size, not all want or get a B737 packed to the brim on every sector and we all know what a lot of pax think about anything with those spinny propeller things.

Having said that, Qantas will obviously take back the B717s into network. as for Cobhams days numbered.......once again, go get educated.
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 11:29
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Who said the 717 would be replaced with something bigger? how many seats does a 318 or 319 have?
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 13:40
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New HoTC at Notwork has a handful of Effo hours on the 717, I wouldn't read too much into that
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 14:28
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Although its widley accepted that Cobham will cease to operate the 717 under their AOC in the near future you could bet money on the fact it wont be going under the Network umbrella - word is another yet to be announced QF subsidary which keeps with tradition.

There must be about 5 'Qantas' group airlines now: TWO of them operating 737's and TWO of them operating Dash 8's, why not make it one more?

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Old 19th Feb 2016, 20:20
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5 Qantas group airlines?

Try closer to 15

Why not simply purchase National Jet System with their AOC in tact, let's call it Airlink?
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 21:34
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My money is on the Qantas group purchasing Alliance Aviation.

Qantas will then hand over the B787 operation to Alliance to operate.

Alliance will continue operating the Fokker fleet on FIFO.

Cobhams will continue operating the B717 for Qlink.

Eastern guys will be still talking about jets for the next 10 EBA's.

All cadets will be offered direct entry commands on the B787's.
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Old 19th Feb 2016, 22:06
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Originally Posted by Stationair8 View Post
My money is on the Qantas group purchasing Alliance Aviation.

Qantas will then hand over the B787 operation to Alliance to operate.

Alliance will continue operating the Fokker fleet on FIFO.

Cobhams will continue operating the B717 for Qlink.

Eastern guys will be still talking about jets for the next 10 EBA's.

All cadets will be offered direct entry commands on the B787's.
Ha. Cute, I thought school holidays were over.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30823116/alliance-virgin-in-fifo-deal/
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 00:16
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So, QANTAS will buy 70ish A320s and 20 A318s. Why? The Airbus is a similar cost to run as the 737 and the 318 costs around 4-5 times more to acquire than a 717 and the operating costs are the same if not more. Then there is around 800+ 737 and 200+ 717 pilots to retrain and/or hire, plus engineers. Where is the advantage?

They have just bought half the 717 fleet from the lessors, they will be converted to dual class and are reportedly looking at more.
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 01:05
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Bit more 2-class 717 flying ex BNE from July. TSV & ISA to start. No doubt more to follow.
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 01:15
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Originally Posted by Stationair8 View Post
My money is on the Qantas group purchasing Alliance Aviation.

Qantas will then hand over the B787 operation to Alliance to operate.

Alliance will continue operating the Fokker fleet on FIFO.

Cobhams will continue operating the B717 for Qlink.

Eastern guys will be still talking about jets for the next 10 EBA's.

All cadets will be offered direct entry commands on the B787's.
I really wish there was a like button on this forum.
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 05:29
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My money is on qantas operating A320s to replace the 737s.

Network will get whatever replaces the 717. They will then complete the transformation to Qantas regional jet operator and charter division.

Jetstar will expand mainly in Asia. The fight will now go to air Asia since the Australian business can fuel and sustain it. They've been avoiding the fight whilst the house has been tidied up in Australia. Now they are getting ready for it.

More 787s will come for Jetstar and Qantas. Jetstar will give the 800s to Qantas which will become transcontinental machines replacing older 330s and take 900s which make more sense for the business.

Qantas will get 778/9s. Emirates trained the crew for them on the 777 and Dubai will be overflown while the ships fly direct to Europe non stop. The Emirates partnership will be over and Qantas will go back to traditional Anglo partnerships.

The A380s will become sub ten hour machines. The 787/777s will do long/ultra long haul.

Joyce will retire with a platinum parachute, and hardlicker after losing the Australian open to New Zealand after a few years on the tennis Australia board will become CEO.

Bronnie after losing her federal seat will become the chairperson to replace LC.
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 07:23
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No disrespect but when you refer to B787's as 800s and 900s you lose credibility.

For clarification they are -8 and -9's, it's not hard
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 08:00
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Why would Qantas consider the A320 to replace 737? Take in account for new type ratings, maintenance training etc, I thought they wanted to reduce the number of the types.

Also is qantas really getting close to replacing the 717?

Anyway when are the results due?
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 08:23
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Angel

Who cares?

I didn't think I had any credibility anyway.

It'll always be an 800/900 to just about every pilot. A spotter/foamer on the other hand.
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 08:48
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No it won't
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 09:20
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Although its widley accepted that Cobham will cease to operate the 717 under their AOC in the near future
Widely accepted by whom? I first heard such suggestions in 1995, almost 21 years ago
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