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Old 25th Jan 2016, 14:59
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QF Recruitment

I used this forum when I was looking for work so want to help. It helped me.

Pretty good rumours of hiring in April to June 2016. 105 pilots. Very possible to 737 FO as SO's don't want to move.

Cheers and good luck.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 20:37
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Around 100 pilots sounds correct, as apparently that number was need even if no 787's and all the LWOP and MOU pilots came back ( a number didn't). Haven't heard about April but that's 3 months away and unless the recruitment department has risen from the ashes suddenly it seems a bit quick for me, was thinking middle of the year.

I don't think direct entry F/O's seem possible in the award anymore, maybe a very short period of time as an S/O like in the early 2000's (and we all know how that came to a screeching halt in 2003!), and from what I hear there are a large number of LWOP guys at Jetstar as F/O's on the A320 that are keen to get back early and would probably go straight back into the 738. There is also the elephant in the room of MOU guys from Jetstar coming into Qantas as they will get close to widebody F/O seniority soon.

Could be an interesting couple of years, and we all know the old saying that if Qantas is promoting/recruiting there must be a big downturn around the corner!Get in early before the music stops again!
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 21:49
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Any ideas on what sort of hours would be competitive?


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Old 25th Jan 2016, 22:31
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There's no recruiting department yet and no published criteria so questions about hours are probably premature.

I've no recent information but from discussions from last year, the focus seems that it will be less on hours and more on the individual person as a whole. That means psych, who you are, teamwork, communication skills, etc.
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 03:30
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Yes the recruitment process is having/had a modernising overhaul along the lines keg mentioned. Some consulting mob has been advising and from what I hear things are almost ready to go. April is the target for first courses and they already have the guys & gals for this from when recruiting stopped last time - cadets out in the wilderness. Qlink has been told they're about to lose a heap from what I hear?
Exciting times, glad to see some movement again and fresh faces will be great.
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 03:54
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That means psych, who you are, teamwork, communication skills, etc.
How about actually being able to drive a plane?

Or isn't that a big deal any more?
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 04:28
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Conehead,

How to fly is important, however the touchy feely softy skills are also just as important these days in an effort to prevent conflicts on the flight deck. Imagine having to endure a 12 hour flight as a junior FO with a hard nosed captain who is a stickler for SOPs and doesn't like the EBA, you would be a sponge to his woes and god for sake if you should made a wrong SOP call or action.

I wish I wasn't married with kids, as I would be applying.
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 04:28
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That's right cone head!
HR look like they're waving their ridiculous wand.
Flight Ops will take another backseat while another department calls the shots.
Nonetheless say the right things and let your flying do the talking.
All the best to those applying.
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Keg - and maybe others, just a question from right/left field (whatever your politics may prefer):

how do you reckon the "system" would react to someone looking to "reverse" their career - for example someone over 50, done the command thing for 20+ years and wondering what it would be like as a librarian for (if lucky) a couple of years then maybe as F/O flying into the twilight of their career??

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Originally Posted by Kiwiconehead
How about actually being able to drive a plane?

Or isn't that a big deal any more?
Learning how to drive the plane is what the training department is for. They're going down this path to ensure the people they hire can drive planes, but don't have poor communication skills, are team players, aren't arrogant or have personalities otherwise unsuited for airline flying.
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Keg - and maybe others, just a question from right/left field (whatever your politics may prefer):

how do you reckon the "system" would react to someone looking to "reverse" their career - for example someone over 50, done the command thing for 20+ years and wondering what it would be like as a librarian for (if lucky) a couple of years then maybe as F/O flying into the twilight of their career??

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They've definately hired pilots in the older age bracket before, knowing that they would probably not be senior enough for a command before probable retirement age.
Having said that, the last time around the majority of recruits seemed to be in their twenties, some in their 30's and a only a few older than that
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Interesting that SO's are not interested in taking promotion to 737 FO and QF may have to recruit for this rank.

The culture generated at QF is all about $$ and not about aviation. Lots of unmotivated SO's (on 380) who are not interested in taking a pay cut to actually fly a plane and have a career...... (I'm not referring to the unfortunate recent demotions).
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 05:35
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I don't believe Qantas would discriminate on the basis of age. As much as I dislike management it is a very good place to work. I read a lot about Emerates and Cathay on here and judging by the comments from their crew I would say Qantas will get a lot of highly qualified pilots wanting to come home. My own feeling is that the 787 will be so successful that they will purchase many and that it will become like 1983 to 1989 with much recruitment and promotion.
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Not a snowballs chance wingdriver.
Plenty of SO's ready to roll, yes, some at the top of the pile probably won't move, ex ansett, ex whoever etc, however a large number are still waiting their turn having had expansion abandoned many moons ago in a search of some orange management pipe dream, which appears, could be slowly coming to an end.
Until they reach the bottom of the order, including MOU's etc, there is certainly a large number ready.
Also, the 737 is exactly stretched at the moment with the hours flown by the majority. Base balancing due to the over 65 kerfuffle and divisors around 70 would indicate that.
Jetconnect on the other hand.....
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not interested in taking a pay cut to actually fly a plane and have a career
wingdriver, care to define the term career for us?
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"Exactly stretched" & "divisors around 70".....maybe I've misunderstood the meaning of the post. 70 is definitely not stretched??
 
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Apologies, I forgot about ex Ansett and military pilots using SO as a retirement job 😂 Ofcourse, they have already had a career and they re hash the same old stories and glories from 20years ago. I know several of them personally and it Sh&$ts me to tears. Sitting in the back seat for 10 years plus is just lazy - amoebas in the air!

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Old 27th Jan 2016, 12:35
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Exclamation

How about actually being able to drive a plane?

Or isn't that a big deal any more?
You're quite right. No one cares if you can fly.

Seriously? Isn't appropriate / good/ min standard/ adequate (insert preferred description here) stick and rudder skills just a given? The point is that being a knob who can fly a perfect EFATO and engine out approach isn't going to get you a Guernsey. Being a good operator who can still fly a high standard EFATO and EO approach is going to be viewed much more highly.

Galdian, I don't have any info to comment on that. Sorry.
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Hi Guys,

I was worried this post may go negative. Don't listen to the rant of people like "wingdriver". Obviously missed out years ago and has time to spare. Would complain about the food at the Old Folks Home. Hope I'm not on his/her table!

Stay positive.
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Old 27th Jan 2016, 13:51
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Sorry Leaf Down Under, but we probably share the crew meal feast together on the flight deck. Been with QF 20+ years.....
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