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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 01:47
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EWL - take this as a formal invitation to the "PISS ON" when the Bodgie goes. Not a typo BTW.
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 01:50
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I can't wait for EWL to tell us what he really thinks!
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 05:12
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Ah.

Now - who can point me in the direction? awhile ago through Ebay I stumbled across a Book about Eastwest written by one previous employee to the last day.

Heaven behold I can't find it anywhere...

Anyone point me in the right direction?
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 05:45
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EWL,

Well said.
Many fond memories of flying into Devenport all those years ago and being looked after by your good self. They were certainly efficient turn arounds and we always appreciated your positive attitude!
Also nice to recall some of the history of EWA, it was such a great airline and could have been a real force in market if it were not for the tentacles of the Government and The Fat Man.
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 07:29
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May i suggest a drink to be consumed at the "piss on" is a certain white wine from california, available in oz, which is the "fat bastard chardonnay"
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 11:04
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Oh bugger - I have become predictable.

Yes - once I got the scent the nose went down and I went for it.

Still can't believe the level of corruption at the highest level that was never questioned.

We had a brilliant growing airline that like the TN and AN of old was a great place to work and like the others we fought tooth and nail for every passenger.

I won't mention some of the underhand stuff that went on but suffice it to say that knowing programmers for the Taarsan II system allowed me some insights into interesting functions within the computer system that could be corrupted to ones own benefit - or that of the airline

During a strike where EW was flying and TN/AN were not I was running LOCO and freight uplift as well as checkin with a few others and we had a bunch of town people portering. Some of the F/A girls fronted and demanded to porter. They worked like navvies.

It is such a shame the current generation will never know that. The rot started by sleaze and corruption.

Best all EWL
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 13:35
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If it's not too esoteric, I'm sure the late, lamented Sid Marshall would have turned in his grave when that crap was going on.
He, amongst many others put a lot of (unsung) effort into getting EWA up and going.

BTW, I noticed that the FB's actual grave plot at Rookwood Necropolis is noted on Wiki.
Must pop out and water his flowers!
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 22:53
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Probably the book to which you refer is "East-West Eagles" by Archie J. Smith. It's well worth chasing down if you can find a copy. ABE Books have one listed from a dealer in SYD.

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Old 23rd Jan 2016, 06:48
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Fries B Fairing

The East West Book is well worth the read. My copy is autographed by Capt Archie Smith the author.

It's funny but a well know 7.30 ABC presenters company proclaimed loudly they started the concept of Air Cruising in Australia.

But after reading the book it was clear that the Directors of East West were very forward thinking arranging an Air Tour in one of the Hudson's VH EWA to Alice Springs on 29th March 1951. Their route was

Tamworth . Broken Hill . Mildura . Leigh Creek . Oodnadatta . Lake Eyre . Alice Springs . Ayers Rock . Broken Hill . Tamworth
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Old 23rd Jan 2016, 09:23
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The 'acquisition' of the BAe146 by Eastwest always reminded me of the scene from Joseph Heller's 'Catch 22':

Milo Minderbinder: "Here Yossarian, try this. Its Chocolate coated cotton candy".

Yossarian: " Yuk! This is inedible! You can't expect people to eat this!".

MM: "They have to learn to like it. I bought Morocco's entire cotton crop. Now I cant get rid off it. If I coat it with chocolate, we can sell it as cotton candy".

Yossarian: "Milo, this is REAL cotton! It's still got the seeds in it!"

MM: " Yes, but they have to learn to like it, I can't get rid of it otherwise. Remember, what's good for the syndicate is good for the USA"

....substitute 146 for cotton and Minderbinder for Ables and this is the rationale of how EW got the 146's.

Regarding Hawke's daughter, it has been widely discussed in MSM that Ables gave her a job in the Golden Wing lounge at Canberra as part of her rehabilitation from heroin addiction (Pilger, D'Alpuget). However, let's give credit where it is due and overcoming such an addiction is testament to her inner strength and is probably one of the few decent acts that Ables did in helping this young woman.

EWL: Before you Cark it, someone should do an oral/video history with you of this period, because you are one of the few unbiased sources of memory of the industry during the 70/80/90s

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Old 23rd Jan 2016, 15:00
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That's a lovely thing to say Anthill.

It's just the way things were and the defining part of my working life.

I wouldn't trade a second of my time in Airline and wish it had never ended.

Best regards

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Old 23rd Jan 2016, 21:38
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Yes, it was a decent act by Abels. But it was just an extention of sending an empty jet up to Broome to pick her up months earlier.

But I don't believe he did this just because he was good bloke. No, he did it to curry favour with the Silver Bodgie. An investment in the future, one could say.

A couple of years later when those pesky pilots were annoying him, time to ring Silver Bodgie and call in the favours?
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Old 24th Jan 2016, 10:11
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Boe787 - great suggestion but it's cardonnay you chunt
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 06:07
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Interesting comments, but I often have wondered whether Ansett were worried that somebody from overseas may have come in and bought East-West prior to deregulation.

In those heady time Australian were buying up or buying into Sunststate, Eastern and Murray Valley Airlines while Ansett was buying a larger stake in Kendall's.

How did it TAA get around the two airline policy and rid itself of the F27 routes to Tasmania?

Did TAA and East-West have code share arrangements?
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 09:21
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Actually, regarding the Bodgie; Methinks that his passing will be an interesting time.

We will of course see and read some op-ed comments saying what a fantastic bloke he was, and no doubt some very fulsome ones as well. (I use the word fulsome as per its correct dictionary defined term BTW*)

But bearing in mind that apparently it is legally impossible to libel the deceased, I wonder if some Journos and others will really speak their mind?


* "Fulsome; excessive or insincere, esp in an offensive or distasteful way"

Collins Concise English Dictionary
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 15:01
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Stationaie - EW and TN did not have a codeshare arrangement.

The TAARSAN Univac 494 system was not capable of handling the extra space required and nor was the replacement 1182. As the 494 was on its way out and while the 1182 was being put in place the old girl cacked herself just prior to Christmas and dumped weeks of PNRs (basically booking) causing chaos.

It basically did a "Hal" and in a response that even Univac couldn't understand ensured its survival by offloading files and creating space so it could operate properly. And, no it definitely wouldn't open the pod bay doors.

There were through fares matching those of Ansett with the mixed carriers to all of the TN network from WNY and DPO. Not sure about ABX but I believe they also had them as oncarriage was such a large part of the passenger mix there.

There was great conjecture within the TN F27 ports regarding the pullout as it was in direct contravention of Australian National Airlines Commission charter regarding servicing rural Australia. This was circumvented by appointing EW as a service provider to continue the coverage.

Desperate to get the F28s into the coast I sat down with Nifty Nev Maguire one day during a barbecue at my place (Nev lived at Braddon's Lookout just out of town and commuted) and ran through the numbers on F27 ops SYD WNY DPO SYD as a way to move the aeroplane needed to be moved back into SYD base each week through here and open a new market. I recently found the carbon copy of the original copy of the letter to Max Surplice at EW SYD requesting it. Presented a copy to Bryan Grey after a very boozy EW function at the Gateway Hotel with a group of staff in I think his room keeping going. Bryan was as smashed as the rest of us and took the letter and listened. I wrote it off as a lost cause.

A week later I got a call on duty at DPO and it was Bryan. He told me i wasn't getting my F27 to which I went "oh bugger" to which he replied you are getting 3 F28s a week and you had better f***ing fill them!! EWe did and the service was daily originating HBA within months taking 2 727-200 loads each way a week off TN which Ron Whyman was only to quick to point out to me in the Stork one day.

Apologies for the length.

That was the short version though

Best all

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Old 25th Jan 2016, 22:43
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Could the F28 carry a reasonable load out of the coastal ports?

Couldn't imagine alcohol being involved!
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 23:14
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A Rose by any other name?


What '89 pilot strike?
I don't recall there being a pilot strike in '89 and I was certainly in the industry at the time.
As I recall there was a 9-5 campaign
What matters is what something is, not what it is called
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 00:01
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The F28s we had could happily operate max BRW ex DPO and seldom had LW problems on the MEL run.

We did one DPO OOL nonstop with a full -4000 and that was right on maximum.

No offloads at all where the TN DC9-30s ex LST did have problems to the degree that traffic staff would go through the cabin with missing baggage forms before departure.

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Old 26th Jan 2016, 14:00
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Here's something that might interest you.

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...ityProblem.jpg

Sorry, it's only an image of the original, an article from "Aircraft" Magazine -1977

I think I still have the mag somewhere, it was from my dear departed Dad's (Ollie - TAA SYD) collection.

Cheers

PS I loved Tah Tah and Eenie Weenie, and eventually got to love Ansett, I was there when we shut up shop on 4th March 2002 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbLe15M5HcA

There's been plenty of dirty tricks by pollies since 1989!!! Hopefully one day we'll see a movie or TV series, it would be juicy.
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