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SIA to launch CBR

Old 19th Jan 2016, 09:34
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SIA to launch CBR

First International route announced tommorow in Canberra, 4 weekly SIN-CBR-WLG. A330.

Where is Qantas Sydney Airways?? Too busy complaining about the competition...crying victim..
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 10:02
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Thanks, was wondering what day this week it was being announced.

Looking forward to seeing the A330 at Wellington!!

LOL Qantas Sydney Airways, we have the same trouble with Air Auckland aka Air New Zealand virtually ignores Wellington, Christchurch!

I could be wrong but I know a ANZ 787-9 has never visited Wellington and possibly Christchurch!

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Old 19th Jan 2016, 10:15
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What is the reverse route?
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 10:19
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Wellington - Canberra - Singapore
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 11:46
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I'm sure Qantas has a plethora of data detailing the number of pax who wish to travel this particular route, I'm sure if there was money to be made, QF or VA or AirNZ would've jumped on board.

Seems like more of a move of desperation by SQ who are so busy creating subsidiaries that are cannibalizing and competing with the mothership (sound familiar) that they don't know where else to put their aircraft.

I know we all give QF a hard time for the whole QF/JQ thing, how about SQ/Scoot/SilkAir/Tigerair ?
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 13:07
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Don't know if I agree with the Qantas would have jumped on board bit.
Take Adelaide as an example. In the last few years Singapore has increased its flights to mainly twice a day, Emirates have come in and Qatar about to in a few months (both daily) and still no Qantas International.
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 22:18
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Apples to oranges. SQ or any ME carrier flying from ADL to a hub then onward gives passengers plenty of options for onward connections. QF abandoned sin for dxb as we all know and are flying the remaining widebody airframes to end line destinations.

Singapore/Dubai/KL/etc aren't obviously attractive enough as a end line destination to offer to ADL that would come close with the competition frequency. Maybe if the 738 had the legs it would be deployed.

If it were your business would you throw your hat in the ring with dozens of carriers fighting over the scraps in the most competed for route in the world or would you just stick to monopolies and high yielding routes?
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 23:01
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If it was my business I would have jumped in long ago before these other carriers arrived and protected my market share. As it is now Cathay,Emirates,MAS, Singapore, and soon Qatar all fly out to the west and beyond mostly full, while ANZ gets plenty to the USA. Good old QF gets none. If they keep allowing the scraps as you put it to drain off to others eventually there will be no market left for them to worry about.That is why Coles and Woolies are always looking to take market share from small operators ie chemists, butchers etc. Cant say I agree with that either but that is another issue.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 00:16
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777-200

The route will be flown by 777-200s.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 03:26
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At least Canberra Airport can now justify the 777 guidance lines at the 17 end that were painted there many years ago. Its also not the first international route into CBR. Direct Fiji has been tried before as has direct WLG. Unless SIA are prepared to pay for Customs attendance then it will probably go the same way as the others.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 03:31
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As it is now Cathay,Emirates,MAS, Singapore, and soon Qatar all fly out to the west and beyond mostly full, while ANZ gets plenty to the USA.
But....are they making money, or are they doing it in an attempt to weaken their competitors?
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 03:36
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SIA rarely do anything out of desperation, their commercial and marketing departments are among the best. Quite possibly an ulterior motive to starting this route, be interesting to see if it works.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 03:38
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Unless SIA are prepared to pay for Customs attendance then it will probably go the same way as the others.
With all the politicians and civil servants spending taxpayers money rather than their own and all the business men on expense accounts I would think they would have a very lucrative market.

A one stop connection to the rest of the world on a premium airline which bypasses Sydney would be welcomed. Also Singapore - Wellington could be a useful connection for cities not served by ANZ.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 04:08
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The route will be flown by 777-200s.
I don't reckon so - the product difference between the A330/-200/-300 and the 777-xxxER and A380s is massive - especially with the crowd they'll be trying to impress.

My pet SIA peeve is that you can, from week to week, get totally different in-flight products (lie flat beds with privacy vs crappy old 'traditional' business class seats) on the same route at the same price.

......I know...... first world problem...... but their high value CBR and WLG government types will not settle for the dross when they can pop over to Sydney and get the service they 'deserve'.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 04:54
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Website confirms 772. A350 fleet is expected to replace 772 fleet starting March.

UnderneathTheRadar, think of those poor pax who had A380 downgraded over Summer on MEL-SIN on some days to a regional 772! Bit of a difference!
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 05:31
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Quite possibly an ulterior motive to starting this route, be interesting to see if it works.
Like getting access to the Pacific?
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 06:42
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A 772 doing CBR-WLG? That's going to be amusing at the Wellington end.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 08:03
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"A 772 doing CBR-WLG? That's going to be amusing at the Wellington end."

I have seen ZK-OKQ Air New Zealand at Wellington, and many of the others in the Air New Zealand 773 fleet have visited at some point. If you search Wellington Airport Boeing 777 on youtube theres some vids of them there. My video of ZK-OKQ is here on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX7Qseo_DRs

At the time of the second and more destructive Christchurch Earthquake in 2011 Air New Zealand used their Boeing 777-200 thru Wellington with no problems, and I guess they would not have done this unless the loading of passengers would be high (if any one has anymore info on these flight please contact me!)

And don't forget we used to have 747SPs and we have had two 707s visit Wellington.

I can't wait to see the Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-200s at Wellington!!!

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Old 21st Jan 2016, 05:27
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Like getting access to the Pacific?
Supposedly thats what SIA were going to do with Tiger. The Trojan Horse that would get them access to the Pacific. Before that it was Ansett and AirNZ. When I see SIA have a successful airline that is not based in Singapore I will accept that:

SIA rarely do anything out of desperation, their commercial and marketing departments are among the best.
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 10:00
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Also had a B747-200 in WLG for Norman Kirk's funeral. Airforce One.
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