Qantas 787 recruitment for cadetship
In reality gentleman's agreements are a load of BS anyway. As if QF will delay courses or park aeroplanes so they don't recruit some arbitrary number of Eastern pilots.
If QF (or any airline for that matter) REALLY wanted to hire you they will, end of story.
Additional to that has anyone actually tested this theory? ie Worked for a QF regional never got called, then changed employers and QF magically calls them a week later? Or is it just people who would never get in anyway somehow justifying why they can't get into QF Mainline?
If QF (or any airline for that matter) REALLY wanted to hire you they will, end of story.
Additional to that has anyone actually tested this theory? ie Worked for a QF regional never got called, then changed employers and QF magically calls them a week later? Or is it just people who would never get in anyway somehow justifying why they can't get into QF Mainline?
Apart from a ancient divide and conquer strategy there is no sense or reason to multiple Airlines and AOCs in QF that ultimately will be examined as a huge waste of money. American Airlines and American Eagle finally united on one Seniority List as the US began to experience a huge pilot shortage and this process provides a secure supply line of pilots. American(through American Eagle) are recruiting at a rate of 80 a month and United are recruiting at 100 a month. Cathay are recruiting at a rate of 60 a month and many of these pilots are coming from the Regionals. Someone will have to swallow their pride and admit they got it terribly wrong, my guess is no-one will admit to this *&%$&up!
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So if 330 pilots get migrated into the 78, will there be more spots open for the 330?
Capt 330 slots then filled by Senior FO's, FO position filled by senior SO's. Junior SO's become senior SO's. New pilots needed to fill the void.
I agree with a previous post; Initial new hires (end of the year?) to probably start on the -400/330. Next year, 787 SO courses. Plenty of movement on the 330 (considering the above). Rumours of a few command and FO slots on the -400 because of incompetent resource planning.
Let's face it. It's the most upbeat the pilot community if QF has been for 8 years now. Must be time for GFC II.
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Originally Posted by howyoulikethat
There appears to be an abundance of JQ 787 pilots at the moment with more being trained as we speak.......I wonder?
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because of incompetent resource planning.
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Question is will there be enough SO's who would be willing to take the pay cut to 737 FO?
More likely would be 737 PER assigned to most jnr
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I don't believe that any long haul pilot can be assigned to the B737. However, if a new joiner is offered and accepts a B737 FO slot on day 1, as the most senior bidder, then problem solved. This would be attractive comparing the B787 SO & B737 FO rates.
This represents the mechanics of a "direct entry to B737".
This represents the mechanics of a "direct entry to B737".
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Thanks curtaintwitcher, that was my reading of it as well.
No surplus S/Os in the current flying plan bdcer. Still a few surplus F/Os on one fleet but that's it. Flying has picked up.
No surplus S/Os in the current flying plan bdcer. Still a few surplus F/Os on one fleet but that's it. Flying has picked up.
Pay cut, seriously???
Are you guys for real, yeah sure some of the senior SO's who fly only overtime sectors are making a killing, but the 737 pay scale is nowhere near as bad as it was a decade ago, to the degree that in the last 12 months there would not have been much pay differential between a 737 and 330 FO.
I doubt if any 330 or 787 SO would come anywhere near a 737 FO, particularly now the company appears to be focusing efforts towards mainline and there's a good chance of a few bonuses being paid!
If the 747 and 380 route structure changes with the introduction of the 787 meaning less overtime, many SO's will be facing pay drops on those fleets also.
The real factor for most deciding on a move to the 737 will be their work ethic and if they want to work in a busy, intense environment for career their development.
I doubt if any 330 or 787 SO would come anywhere near a 737 FO, particularly now the company appears to be focusing efforts towards mainline and there's a good chance of a few bonuses being paid!
If the 747 and 380 route structure changes with the introduction of the 787 meaning less overtime, many SO's will be facing pay drops on those fleets also.
The real factor for most deciding on a move to the 737 will be their work ethic and if they want to work in a busy, intense environment for career their development.
They used to give some effort in justifying not taking it. these days its more '**** working that hard for **** coin'.
Direct entry into the RHS at least for ADL & PER bases would have to be in the realm of possibility
As far as S/O's not wanting the upgrade, I can assure you all there are certainly a number of Long Haul S/O's (particularly in the bottom 50-100) who would like the career insurance of a window seat, and who have never been senior enough to have a bite of the cherry, yes, even in ADL or PER (lest they had gone to JQ, where there are now a number of LWOP guys who'd like to come back to QF asap as well).
It is indeed true that most S/O's on the A330 would no longer see too much of a pay cut at all going to the 73 provided the hours stay around 70 odd per month, give or take. Here's hoping after ZERO new training slots last year, that April brings good news for everyone who needs/wants it.
There appears to be an abundance of JQ 787 pilots at the moment with more being trained as we speak.......I wonder?
Supposedly JQ have stuffed their numbers as well, to the extent that the rostering of East Coast A320 Flying is becoming a bit of a headache. After no real recruiting for the past couple of years (and at the same time having a number of guys pulling the pin on LWOP, gone to EK, or greener pastures in China), the East Coast narrow body fleet have been on max hours flown for a number of months now. They are scrambling to get 50 or so remaining Cadets on line and to start the recruitment machine again.Apparently until they are on line, JQ are so short there are 20 odd A320 Commands being withheld because they can't spare any F/Os off the A320 fleet that would fill the Commands and/or residuals onto the 787!
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Just to clarify, I'm talking about the possible massive training wave in the future, that was implied by my comments about the day 1 direct entry scenario. As I also stated, there will be a large differential between B787 SO & B737 FO take home income, we are talking only about B787 SO's.
I believe most B737 FO's will take whatever seat they can get in Long Haul. Those likely to stay will do so as they perceive that they are senior enough for the LHS. Replacing the B737 FO's will be a major problem. If, and I stress if, things proceed on the scale some optimists anticipate, every current SO will have the seniority for the RHS, and still leave a large hole to fill.
Rotating seniority in LH would just be icing on the cake for them. Years of sh!te rostering has focused the collective mind on taking the first available exit.
I believe most B737 FO's will take whatever seat they can get in Long Haul. Those likely to stay will do so as they perceive that they are senior enough for the LHS. Replacing the B737 FO's will be a major problem. If, and I stress if, things proceed on the scale some optimists anticipate, every current SO will have the seniority for the RHS, and still leave a large hole to fill.
Rotating seniority in LH would just be icing on the cake for them. Years of sh!te rostering has focused the collective mind on taking the first available exit.
bdcer So are any 737FOs cracking $200k?
Easily mate. Any 4th year FO flying the roster as published, not chasing any hours should comfortably do it. A good bonus in September certainly helped but with load factors high, fuel price low, capacity wars over there's no reason bonuses won't continue for the foreseeable future.
Easily mate. Any 4th year FO flying the roster as published, not chasing any hours should comfortably do it. A good bonus in September certainly helped but with load factors high, fuel price low, capacity wars over there's no reason bonuses won't continue for the foreseeable future.