Qantas 787 recruitment for cadetship
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I'm seriously wondering why there would be a large number of training slots in April, or imminent recruiting? I understand an extra 747 staying and the over 65 issue might mean a few extra slots but what else? Aren't there around a hundred coming off LWOP in the next year to eighteen months? Barring a retirement surge, I would think training and hiring are a long way off.
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Annual salary FO Yr4. $123 948.63 based on 53:24hrs min guaranteed each 28 days.
$178 per hr each additional hr above min. Average around 70 hrs per 28 days.
At risk Company incentive payment ( as a guide add $3000pa )
Therefore $125K plus $38K plus $3K = $166 000 pa average
Annual salary FO Yr4. $123 948.63 based on 53:24hrs min guaranteed each 28 days.
$178 per hr each additional hr above min. Average around 70 hrs per 28 days.
At risk Company incentive payment ( as a guide add $3000pa )
Therefore $125K plus $38K plus $3K = $166 000 pa average
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Could it be that some figures are conflating flight pay vs flight pay + DTA + superannuation? Further complicating things, I believe some super divisions add company contributions to the gross pay, some don't, hence the difference. An apples with apples comparison is needed.
^^^ absolutely the case. The varying divs of super confound it even more, 6 in particular it seems can be a little inflationary
I've been in the top half of the rotation this financial year. Assigned on most AV days, plus a little extra here and there. Most rosters have come in around 82 hours. Expecting it to drop off for the next 6 months as I move down the bottom. Haven't done a 65 hour roster in over 12 months
. Im a regional skipper so he obviously isnt earning circa 200k, unless hes been lying to me.He also noted the lack of crews especially on the 73. Will be interesting to see when recruitment starts again. I suspect AJ is holding off as he still needs to rid another 1000 employees from the tranformation program. I guess it doesnt look good waving goodbye to some and then same day recruiting a heap of pilots.
So are any 737FOs cracking $200k?
No doubt still a pay cut for those S/Os coming from the 744 or 380, but definitely not as bad as people make it out to be.
Yep, as above, I'm on track for 200+ as a 737 F/O just through rosters above 70 hours and then being called out on half your reserve/standby days. Not hard to average 80 hours a roster.
Also capt cloudbuster's numbers are not quite right. Current hourly rate is $183.43. And while a recent average of bonus's may be $3000, this years 8% and next years probably similar %, of ~200K is obviously more than $3000.
Still less than many get paid but better than had been suggested. You certainly work for the dough though.
Also capt cloudbuster's numbers are not quite right. Current hourly rate is $183.43. And while a recent average of bonus's may be $3000, this years 8% and next years probably similar %, of ~200K is obviously more than $3000.
Still less than many get paid but better than had been suggested. You certainly work for the dough though.
Yep, as above, I'm on track for 200+ as a 737 F/O just through rosters above 70 hours and then being called out on half your reserve/standby days. Not hard to average 80 hours a roster.
Also capt cloudbuster's numbers are not quite right. Current hourly rate is $183.43. And while a recent average of bonus's may be $3000, this years 8% and next years probably similar %, of ~200K is obviously more than $3000.
Still less than many get paid but better than had been suggested. You certainly work for the dough though.
Also capt cloudbuster's numbers are not quite right. Current hourly rate is $183.43. And while a recent average of bonus's may be $3000, this years 8% and next years probably similar %, of ~200K is obviously more than $3000.
Still less than many get paid but better than had been suggested. You certainly work for the dough though.
No doubt! But, I'd love to work 70-80 hours and get that remuneration. At the jQ its 100-105 hours a month, including DTA and a day off payment here and there, and year to date on the 15th of Dec is $108,000 as an A320 FO. So the pay is awesome, but that's what I call working hard!
Less than 2 years to go and it's back to Qantas! I hear some blokes are trying to get back early, and why wouldn't you.
That's nasty ROH!
Surely the pilots at JQ must be coming up against stick hour issues doing those sort of hours every month? I've noticed a huge number of cancelled JQ flights lately (even more than usual) - crewing issues something to do with it perhaps?
Surely the pilots at JQ must be coming up against stick hour issues doing those sort of hours every month? I've noticed a huge number of cancelled JQ flights lately (even more than usual) - crewing issues something to do with it perhaps?
I'm not sure transition, I haven't specifically heard of anyone, but no doubt some would be getting tight.
I know of a few blokes who have had to take sickies, it just gets too much.
But if you're young and keen, it's big cash, and they are so short!
I know of a few blokes who have had to take sickies, it just gets too much.
But if you're young and keen, it's big cash, and they are so short!
I'm scratching my head about this recruitment for the 787. In the last EBA the company got effectively a B scale for 787 SOs. However by my reckoning a lot of promotion will open up to 747 and 380 SOs to go to probably the 737 and 330. This will mean they will have to put new pilots on the 747 or 380 at much more money than the 787 SOs. So, if I'm correct how are they going to allocate who to what aircraft? Anyone got some thoughts?
So Qantas is looking at record profits.... Last time they did that the gfc was just around the corner. Prior to that SARS was good at crippling promotion.
Looking at the markets today, well, is it possible for GFC MK II to be only a short time away?
That aside, I'm not sure why the euphoria surrounding the imminent(?) recruitment.
Qantas still has 200+ outside who will come back. The hurrah about the 787 amounts to 7-8 aircraft in the near term, till 2018. In that time Jumbos are supposedly going to wither. Alan Joyce has not ordered one new aircraft for qantas in his tenure. (Bonuses all round!) And yes qantas is desperate for capacity, however, this is not the silver bullet that people are suggesting.
Sure more 787s will come, but there either needs to be a dramatic shift in deliveries to increase the total fleet size or the status quo remains.
Joining within a year of Ansett's collapse, I don't have seniority for a long haul FO position. That's fine, domestic fo is cool, but realistically I don't see that changing for a long time, no matter how you want to cut it.
Twenty years to command....tell him he's dreaming.
Looking at the markets today, well, is it possible for GFC MK II to be only a short time away?
That aside, I'm not sure why the euphoria surrounding the imminent(?) recruitment.
Qantas still has 200+ outside who will come back. The hurrah about the 787 amounts to 7-8 aircraft in the near term, till 2018. In that time Jumbos are supposedly going to wither. Alan Joyce has not ordered one new aircraft for qantas in his tenure. (Bonuses all round!) And yes qantas is desperate for capacity, however, this is not the silver bullet that people are suggesting.
Sure more 787s will come, but there either needs to be a dramatic shift in deliveries to increase the total fleet size or the status quo remains.
Joining within a year of Ansett's collapse, I don't have seniority for a long haul FO position. That's fine, domestic fo is cool, but realistically I don't see that changing for a long time, no matter how you want to cut it.
Twenty years to command....tell him he's dreaming.
Nunc est bibendum
Do we still have 200+ on LWOP? I haven't seen an update on that in a while.
The 744 retirement plan has been amended a few times since August last year when the 787s were announced to retire a number of the 744s. I'm not sure the current plan indicates the 744 withers quite in the time frame or numbers you suggest hotnhigh.
The 744 retirement plan has been amended a few times since August last year when the 787s were announced to retire a number of the 744s. I'm not sure the current plan indicates the 744 withers quite in the time frame or numbers you suggest hotnhigh.