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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 06:27
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Direct entry into the RHS at least for ADL & PER bases would have to be in the realm of possibility
Hmmm. At last look I thought the 737 flying was sitting at about 65-70 hours per roster? I could be wrong but I thought that was pretty much right for establishment. That is of course until a few promotions from short haul to long haul happen.

As far as S/O's not wanting the upgrade, I can assure you all there are certainly a number of Long Haul S/O's (particularly in the bottom 50-100) who would like the career insurance of a window seat, and who have never been senior enough to have a bite of the cherry, yes, even in ADL or PER (lest they had gone to JQ, where there are now a number of LWOP guys who'd like to come back to QF asap as well).

It is indeed true that most S/O's on the A330 would no longer see too much of a pay cut at all going to the 73 provided the hours stay around 70 odd per month, give or take. Here's hoping after ZERO new training slots last year, that April brings good news for everyone who needs/wants it.


There appears to be an abundance of JQ 787 pilots at the moment with more being trained as we speak.......I wonder?
Unlikely.

Supposedly JQ have stuffed their numbers as well, to the extent that the rostering of East Coast A320 Flying is becoming a bit of a headache. After no real recruiting for the past couple of years (and at the same time having a number of guys pulling the pin on LWOP, gone to EK, or greener pastures in China), the East Coast narrow body fleet have been on max hours flown for a number of months now. They are scrambling to get 50 or so remaining Cadets on line and to start the recruitment machine again.

Apparently until they are on line, JQ are so short there are 20 odd A320 Commands being withheld because they can't spare any F/Os off the A320 fleet that would fill the Commands and/or residuals onto the 787!
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 07:46
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Just to clarify, I'm talking about the possible massive training wave in the future, that was implied by my comments about the day 1 direct entry scenario. As I also stated, there will be a large differential between B787 SO & B737 FO take home income, we are talking only about B787 SO's.

I believe most B737 FO's will take whatever seat they can get in Long Haul. Those likely to stay will do so as they perceive that they are senior enough for the LHS. Replacing the B737 FO's will be a major problem. If, and I stress if, things proceed on the scale some optimists anticipate, every current SO will have the seniority for the RHS, and still leave a large hole to fill.

Rotating seniority in LH would just be icing on the cake for them. Years of sh!te rostering has focused the collective mind on taking the first available exit.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 09:54
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bdcer So are any 737FOs cracking $200k?

Easily mate. Any 4th year FO flying the roster as published, not chasing any hours should comfortably do it. A good bonus in September certainly helped but with load factors high, fuel price low, capacity wars over there's no reason bonuses won't continue for the foreseeable future.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 09:59
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Pig Dog, that's good to hear. Especially seeing that the 73 is the workhorse of Q & not often recognised for its contribution.
 
Old 3rd Jan 2016, 13:23
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I'm seriously wondering why there would be a large number of training slots in April, or imminent recruiting? I understand an extra 747 staying and the over 65 issue might mean a few extra slots but what else? Aren't there around a hundred coming off LWOP in the next year to eighteen months? Barring a retirement surge, I would think training and hiring are a long way off.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 21:19
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FO Pay

From our EBA7

Annual salary FO Yr4. $123 948.63 based on 53:24hrs min guaranteed each 28 days.

$178 per hr each additional hr above min. Average around 70 hrs per 28 days.

At risk Company incentive payment ( as a guide add $3000pa )


Therefore $125K plus $38K plus $3K = $166 000 pa average
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 01:54
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Could it be that some figures are conflating flight pay vs flight pay + DTA + superannuation? Further complicating things, I believe some super divisions add company contributions to the gross pay, some don't, hence the difference. An apples with apples comparison is needed.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 02:19
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^^^ absolutely the case. The varying divs of super confound it even more, 6 in particular it seems can be a little inflationary
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 03:44
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Taxable gross as at 27/12 including the bonus is 118k

4 year pay, don't chase flying. Expecting about 207 excluding super, but including dta.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 05:10
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And the 4th year 320 FOs at JQ will make that.... Although for probably 105hrs a month 🤑🤑🤑
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 16:14
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The 737 F/O annual estimates quoted above are crap! Current 65 hr rosters get nowhere near 200k, including DTA. More like 160k plus possible bonus.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 18:26
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I've been in the top half of the rotation this financial year. Assigned on most AV days, plus a little extra here and there. Most rosters have come in around 82 hours. Expecting it to drop off for the next 6 months as I move down the bottom. Haven't done a 65 hour roster in over 12 months
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Old 5th Jan 2016, 01:13
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Originally Posted by 2Plus View Post
The 737 F/O annual estimates quoted above are crap! Current 65 hr rosters get nowhere near 200k, including DTA. More like 160k plus possible bonus.
I concur. I meet up with a good mate of mine fairly regularly and lets just say Im usually the one shouting coffees and hes lactose intolerant (thats an extra 50c &#128522. Im a regional skipper so he obviously isnt earning circa 200k, unless hes been lying to me.

He also noted the lack of crews especially on the 73. Will be interesting to see when recruitment starts again. I suspect AJ is holding off as he still needs to rid another 1000 employees from the tranformation program. I guess it doesnt look good waving goodbye to some and then same day recruiting a heap of pilots.
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Old 5th Jan 2016, 11:00
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So are any 737FOs cracking $200k?
Yep, another one here on track for about $210k this FY, excl super but including DTA. Two bonus payments helped obviously. Most rosters are coming out in the low 70s at the moment, so with a reserve call out here and there, and picking up some extra work it's quite easy to average 80hrs a roster.

No doubt still a pay cut for those S/Os coming from the 744 or 380, but definitely not as bad as people make it out to be.
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Old 6th Jan 2016, 05:06
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Yep, as above, I'm on track for 200+ as a 737 F/O just through rosters above 70 hours and then being called out on half your reserve/standby days. Not hard to average 80 hours a roster.

Also capt cloudbuster's numbers are not quite right. Current hourly rate is $183.43. And while a recent average of bonus's may be $3000, this years 8% and next years probably similar %, of ~200K is obviously more than $3000.

Still less than many get paid but better than had been suggested. You certainly work for the dough though.
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Old 6th Jan 2016, 06:53
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron View Post
Yep, as above, I'm on track for 200+ as a 737 F/O just through rosters above 70 hours and then being called out on half your reserve/standby days. Not hard to average 80 hours a roster.

Also capt cloudbuster's numbers are not quite right. Current hourly rate is $183.43. And while a recent average of bonus's may be $3000, this years 8% and next years probably similar %, of ~200K is obviously more than $3000.

Still less than many get paid but better than had been suggested. You certainly work for the dough though.

No doubt! But, I'd love to work 70-80 hours and get that remuneration. At the jQ its 100-105 hours a month, including DTA and a day off payment here and there, and year to date on the 15th of Dec is $108,000 as an A320 FO. So the pay is awesome, but that's what I call working hard!

Less than 2 years to go and it's back to Qantas! I hear some blokes are trying to get back early, and why wouldn't you.
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Old 6th Jan 2016, 07:42
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That's nasty ROH!

Surely the pilots at JQ must be coming up against stick hour issues doing those sort of hours every month? I've noticed a huge number of cancelled JQ flights lately (even more than usual) - crewing issues something to do with it perhaps?
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Old 6th Jan 2016, 08:31
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I'm not sure transition, I haven't specifically heard of anyone, but no doubt some would be getting tight.

I know of a few blokes who have had to take sickies, it just gets too much.

But if you're young and keen, it's big cash, and they are so short!
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Old 6th Jan 2016, 14:58
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"Still less than many get paid but better than had been suggested."

Who exactly are the "many"?
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Old 7th Jan 2016, 00:27
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
Who exactly are the "many"?
Well, given this was a discussion in the context of Qantas positions, the "many" would be;

Probably most A380 S/O's
A number of 744 S/O's
A330 F/O's
744 F/O's
A380 F/O's
All QF Captains.
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