Qantas 787 recruitment for cadetship
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OJM/OEB have to go in late 2017.
Even with the 'refresh'
they still have SkyBed Mk I (the sloper) in Business (if you miss out on old First)
and the crappy tiny fragile continually needs to be reset Rockwell Collins IFE system.
Can't see Qantas replacing seats/IFE, so its a pretty average passenger experience if you end up on one
OJS/OJT/OJU have a consistent product with the younger 6 744ERs so could well be kept beyond the arrival of the 787s
Even with the 'refresh'
they still have SkyBed Mk I (the sloper) in Business (if you miss out on old First)
and the crappy tiny fragile continually needs to be reset Rockwell Collins IFE system.
Can't see Qantas replacing seats/IFE, so its a pretty average passenger experience if you end up on one
OJS/OJT/OJU have a consistent product with the younger 6 744ERs so could well be kept beyond the arrival of the 787s
Nunc est bibendum
Haven't heard that they'll outlast the A380 but have heard they may be hanging around until 2023 or thereabouts to be replaced by the 777X. Perhaps retirement of both 744 and A380 at same time by 777X? Maybe I will get back to the 744! 
(tell him he's dreaming).
Business plans are being put together re OJM/ OEB to keep them longer. Whether the plan is approved is another matter but someone is crunching the numbers.
(tell him he's dreaming). Business plans are being put together re OJM/ OEB to keep them longer. Whether the plan is approved is another matter but someone is crunching the numbers.
It's certainly a possibility. If the 9 youngest B744's are put through their third "D" check, then S/T/U could go through to 2024/5 and the 6 ER's could go to 2027/8.
At present there is no doubt that the seat mile costs of the B744 are lower than the A380 due to a lower fuel burn and lower cost of ownership (the A380's are still being leased/paid off). If the price of oil goes back up (which it will, eventually) the B744 will be even better on long range sectors in comparison to A380 seat mile costs.
When the B787 arrives in sufficient numbers to take over some of the existing A380 routes (eg DFW) then they'll struggle to find other routes that would be suitable for the A380's capacity. Thus it's possible that the A380's are disposed of before the B744.
At present there is no doubt that the seat mile costs of the B744 are lower than the A380 due to a lower fuel burn and lower cost of ownership (the A380's are still being leased/paid off). If the price of oil goes back up (which it will, eventually) the B744 will be even better on long range sectors in comparison to A380 seat mile costs.
When the B787 arrives in sufficient numbers to take over some of the existing A380 routes (eg DFW) then they'll struggle to find other routes that would be suitable for the A380's capacity. Thus it's possible that the A380's are disposed of before the B744.
Going Boeing would you need to include the number of seats in the seat mile cost calculation?
Our 777 drivers have the same problem with maths when it comes to the 380. Right up until the 380 took all (well most of and increasing) ULR flights.
Our 777 drivers have the same problem with maths when it comes to the 380. Right up until the 380 took all (well most of and increasing) ULR flights.
The term "seat mile costs" does take into account the number of seats. The A380 comes out ahead of the B744 on 9-10 hour sectors but on anything longer than 12 hours, the B744 has the lower costs.
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Since the bus can carry its full zero fuel weight over 14hrs, and 744 can't, your argument is not supported by facts.
Last edited by donpizmeov; 2nd Mar 2016 at 07:25. Reason: Forgot QF had original 380s not newbies so time changed.
Since the bus can carry its full zero fuel weight over 14hrs, and 744 can't, your argument is not supported by facts.
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QF's CEO said to someone a while ago that he would make more money running two 789's Sydney-Dallas per day than one A380. I guess that supports the arguement of A380 being not fuel efficient on long legs. But the same CEO chose to replace the 744 with an A380 on that very route. I understand the 744 didn't quite have the range, hence the Brisbane triangle on the return. Seat-mile cost isn't everything if you can't make your destination. Mind you, fuel cost was much higher when he made that comment.
I'm also told that even the A380 needs to block out around 50 seats Dallas-Sydney. But it has more real estate for premium seats. The 789 doesn't. So the margin probably depends upon how many premium seats they can sell at top dollar, which will obviously vary with global economic conditions.
I think the 777-8X will be the eventual saviour of QF, considering that most of it's high value routes are ultra-long-range (unlike most other airlines). That will let them ditch the A380 and 744, and use the 789 on the thinner long range routes.
Now, I think they know that. I just wish they would order some. If they had 777-8X's around the corner, all they would need is another downturn, $700M loss, write of the 4-engine jets, post a record $5B loss from accounting write-downs, complain to the Government, sack 10000 staff, reduce the salaries of the remainder, then have a record profit the following year with massive bonuses all around.
I'm also told that even the A380 needs to block out around 50 seats Dallas-Sydney. But it has more real estate for premium seats. The 789 doesn't. So the margin probably depends upon how many premium seats they can sell at top dollar, which will obviously vary with global economic conditions.
I think the 777-8X will be the eventual saviour of QF, considering that most of it's high value routes are ultra-long-range (unlike most other airlines). That will let them ditch the A380 and 744, and use the 789 on the thinner long range routes.
Now, I think they know that. I just wish they would order some. If they had 777-8X's around the corner, all they would need is another downturn, $700M loss, write of the 4-engine jets, post a record $5B loss from accounting write-downs, complain to the Government, sack 10000 staff, reduce the salaries of the remainder, then have a record profit the following year with massive bonuses all around.
Nunc est bibendum
Rumours are an extra 2 787s for QF as part of the first tranche of 8 to take them to 10. Unsure if they're part of the options or taking them off JQ.
Lots of rumours floating around, another strong one is that any after this initial purchase will be "group" aircraft (well they are anyway if you think about it), and will be transferred between entities as required, as per the right aircraft right route, right airline mantra that group management seem to be so in love with at the moment. The same rumour is floating around for the short haul fleet with commonality between Jetstar and mainline, or whoever flies them domestically for Qantas (Qantas link)...but that's another thread.
We all love our rumours and seem to hang on to them for hope, but the truth is when there is a fleet of 787's sitting on the ramp with a big roo on the tail being flown by mainline pilots is when I will start celebrating!
We all love our rumours and seem to hang on to them for hope, but the truth is when there is a fleet of 787's sitting on the ramp with a big roo on the tail being flown by mainline pilots is when I will start celebrating!
I have it on good authority that Qantas big wigs are exploring a recruit to group scenario where everyone will get a group joining date that will allow free movement between different entities.
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The penny may have actually dropped - though it will never be admitted, experienced & well trained pilots are actually an asset, not a liability to an airline.
In place is a MOU. Otherwise join the Queue.
They do what has been rumoured as it is. If they decide Jetstar International is a basket case and that the a/c should be transferred... And if that means there are excess pilots in Jetstar then guess what... Join the Queue. "They" have set up the many companies and now have to share in some of the **** sandwich they created.
Many groups have been bashing on this door for ages. The perfect opportunity for implementation has come and gone. This ship has well and truly sailed off the cliff
They do what has been rumoured as it is. If they decide Jetstar International is a basket case and that the a/c should be transferred... And if that means there are excess pilots in Jetstar then guess what... Join the Queue. "They" have set up the many companies and now have to share in some of the **** sandwich they created.
Many groups have been bashing on this door for ages. The perfect opportunity for implementation has come and gone. This ship has well and truly sailed off the cliff
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