Australian pilots can work for US regionals.
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I'm referring to, that an applicant needs to pass the ATP written exam, prior to the issue of an FAA ATPL (license) (multi engine).
The FAA ATPL written exam is a single exam, whilst the Australian ATPL written, is 7 separate exams.
A person can be offered a job with a regional, travel to the U.S and complete all the required airline sim training and check flight,
but the FAA ATP written exam, has to be passed, for the issue of an FAA ATPL (license).
I'm absolutely sure this correct!
The FAA ATPL written exam is a single exam, whilst the Australian ATPL written, is 7 separate exams.
A person can be offered a job with a regional, travel to the U.S and complete all the required airline sim training and check flight,
but the FAA ATP written exam, has to be passed, for the issue of an FAA ATPL (license).
I'm absolutely sure this correct!
I'm referring to, that an applicant needs to pass the ATP written exam, prior to the issue of an FAA ATPL (license) (multi engine).
The FAA ATPL written exam is a single exam, whilst the Australian ATPL written, is 7 separate exams.
A person can be offered a job with a regional, travel to the U.S and complete all the required airline sim training and check flight,
but the FAA ATP written exam, has to be passed, for the issue of an FAA ATPL (license).
I'm absolutely sure this correct!
The FAA ATPL written exam is a single exam, whilst the Australian ATPL written, is 7 separate exams.
A person can be offered a job with a regional, travel to the U.S and complete all the required airline sim training and check flight,
but the FAA ATP written exam, has to be passed, for the issue of an FAA ATPL (license).
I'm absolutely sure this correct!
mention the TSA background checks for both the atp-ctp course and the initial type training on the aircraft type st your regional.
your terminology is slightly off which makes your post easy to misinterpret
Here’s a question for you experienced guys in the states.
What if a bloke had a FAA ATP, couple thousand command in multi crew airliner.
No doubt still need to join at the bottom of the seniority list. The question is would the regionals be interested and is there an age limit? Without having to do the ATP, just a type rating?
Looking at the reverse of people looking at heading this way for the experience, as such which regionals would prefer most relaxed lifestyle options?
What if a bloke had a FAA ATP, couple thousand command in multi crew airliner.
No doubt still need to join at the bottom of the seniority list. The question is would the regionals be interested and is there an age limit? Without having to do the ATP, just a type rating?
Looking at the reverse of people looking at heading this way for the experience, as such which regionals would prefer most relaxed lifestyle options?
Here’s a question for you experienced guys in the states.
What if a bloke had a FAA ATP, couple thousand command in multi crew airliner.
No doubt still need to join at the bottom of the seniority list. The question is would the regionals be interested and is there an age limit? Without having to do the ATP, just a type rating?
Looking at the reverse of people looking at heading this way for the experience, as such which regionals would prefer most relaxed lifestyle options?
What if a bloke had a FAA ATP, couple thousand command in multi crew airliner.
No doubt still need to join at the bottom of the seniority list. The question is would the regionals be interested and is there an age limit? Without having to do the ATP, just a type rating?
Looking at the reverse of people looking at heading this way for the experience, as such which regionals would prefer most relaxed lifestyle options?
to be honest the regionals ar this point could really care less about your experience so long as you meet the minimums for an ATP.
you still have to go through a full type rating course regardless.
Last edited by havick; 15th Jun 2018 at 15:49.
Global Aviator,
Having an FAA ATP and air carrier experience is a real plus. And I'd guess your age is more of an asset than liability.
Since you have an FAA ticket, what kind of flying were you doing when you got it ? Did any of the time count under FAR 121.436 ? It would speed up your ability to hold a captain spot at a regional.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.436
Having an FAA ATP and air carrier experience is a real plus. And I'd guess your age is more of an asset than liability.
Since you have an FAA ticket, what kind of flying were you doing when you got it ? Did any of the time count under FAR 121.436 ? It would speed up your ability to hold a captain spot at a regional.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.436
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The latest CommutAir advertisement posted today (Friday) on the afap website, seeking OZ pilots for the EMB145,
to commence type training in the next course.
It's interesting to note, there's additional information specified in relation to the E3 Visa requirements:
**CommutAir is now accepting applications from Australian pilots eligible for an E-3 Visa. E-3 Visa applicants must meet all hiring and Visa requirements prior to hire.
**E-3 Visa Applicant Requirements
to commence type training in the next course.
It's interesting to note, there's additional information specified in relation to the E3 Visa requirements:
**CommutAir is now accepting applications from Australian pilots eligible for an E-3 Visa. E-3 Visa applicants must meet all hiring and Visa requirements prior to hire.
**E-3 Visa Applicant Requirements
- Must be an Australian national
- Must possess the necessary academic or other qualifying credentials (i.e. bachelor’s degree or equivalent work experience)
- Must be at least 23 years of age
So, from the US Embassy in Canberra, this info re E3 qualifications. Are those E3s coming North, but without a 4 year degree, actually having to show 12 years aviation experience to qualify ? Is that the actual experience people are confronted with lately ?:
I do not hold a bachelor’s degree or higher. Can I apply for the E-3 visa based on my work experience?
• U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, 8 CFR 214.2(h)(4)(iii)(D), describes the kind and amount of experience which can be used to establish the equivalency of a university degree. As a guide, three years of professional experience may generally be used as a substitute for each year of university-level educatio. This means you would need to show 12 years experience in the field you are applying to work in. During their visa interviews, applicants for U.S. work visas should be prepared to provide documentation outlining their work history, education, and training. A consular officer will determine whether the
educational and employment information provided meets the eligibility requirements for a U.S. visa.
https://web.archive.org/web/20111028...ualifying.html
I do not hold a bachelor’s degree or higher. Can I apply for the E-3 visa based on my work experience?
• U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, 8 CFR 214.2(h)(4)(iii)(D), describes the kind and amount of experience which can be used to establish the equivalency of a university degree. As a guide, three years of professional experience may generally be used as a substitute for each year of university-level educatio. This means you would need to show 12 years experience in the field you are applying to work in. During their visa interviews, applicants for U.S. work visas should be prepared to provide documentation outlining their work history, education, and training. A consular officer will determine whether the
educational and employment information provided meets the eligibility requirements for a U.S. visa.
https://web.archive.org/web/20111028...ualifying.html
A consular officer will determine whether the educational and employment information provided meets the eligibility requirements for a U.S. visa.
So, from the US Embassy in Canberra, this info re E3 qualifications. Are those E3s coming North, but without a 4 year degree, actually having to show 12 years aviation experience to qualify ? Is that the actual experience people are confronted with lately ?
"i have the relevant qualifications and a job offer from Skywest, would you like to see?"
"Your visa is approved, next!" without actually looking at everything.
I had many friends get in around the same time with no degree and none of them blinked an eye.
**It's worthwhile mentioning, the ATP exam (single exam), must be passed, prior to getting the full FAA ATPL.
Yeah, it's a joke. No stress of flight planning. Pretty much government enabled cheating due to the freedom of information act. Sheppard Air doesn't teach you the theory, but the answers to every question in the question bank. To come out the other side with a full ICAO ATPL is pretty nice.
What if a bloke had a FAA ATP, couple thousand command in multi crew airliner.
Can you count training years in the total time in industry ?
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but it's all well and good that companies are requiring you to hold a bachelors degree ... however, what they aren't stating it seems is that the degree has to be specific to the job you are applying for in the US. I'm going on my 5th E3 renewal in a non-flying aviation job, so I know a few things about the E3.
You can't just have any bachelors degree ... a degree in general business management, or arts etc etc will not pass with the consulate if you are going for a flying position. So in this case, you must have some kind of aviation degree. Granted it seems from this thread, some have been able to pass through the consulate interview either without a degree, or with a different degree, however I would be VERY careful. There is a very real chance that although you may pass the consulate interview and be given an E3, if you have given false information or they realize they have made a mistake in approving you, your E3 can be revoked very easily at any time. Not something you want happening if you have just signed a lease on a car or apartment, spent thousands of dollars setting yourself up in the US etc.
The USCIS and Department of Labor are constantly doing inspections of workplaces and of employees to ensure they are following the guidelines of their E3s (and all work visas for that matter), and will go through all your paperwork. Not something to screw with particularly with the current political climate.
You can't just have any bachelors degree ... a degree in general business management, or arts etc etc will not pass with the consulate if you are going for a flying position. So in this case, you must have some kind of aviation degree. Granted it seems from this thread, some have been able to pass through the consulate interview either without a degree, or with a different degree, however I would be VERY careful. There is a very real chance that although you may pass the consulate interview and be given an E3, if you have given false information or they realize they have made a mistake in approving you, your E3 can be revoked very easily at any time. Not something you want happening if you have just signed a lease on a car or apartment, spent thousands of dollars setting yourself up in the US etc.
The USCIS and Department of Labor are constantly doing inspections of workplaces and of employees to ensure they are following the guidelines of their E3s (and all work visas for that matter), and will go through all your paperwork. Not something to screw with particularly with the current political climate.
The USCIS and Department of Labor are constantly doing inspections of workplaces and of employees to ensure they are following the guidelines of their E3s (and all work visas for that matter), and will go through all your paperwork. Not something to screw with particularly with the current political climate.
My understanding is airlines can file the paperwork for anyone to take to a consulate, but from my experience - also a number of renewals under my belt - its on you to be honest about your qualifications and if you actually meet the specific E3 requirements at the end of the day. It's really not a good idea to just hope you get an easy consulate staff member.
Gosh I hate being negative, be really great having more Aussies flying in the US but play it safe lads, you don't want be looking over your shoulder all the time wondering if your US adventure is coming to a premature end. Can be an extremely costly exercise!
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Do you think the music is about to stop? It all seemed too good to be true! You never know what happens behind closed doors when beuracrats/diplomats talk....after being pressured by industry....... Yeah I believe in conspiracies.
If you don't have a bachelors in aviation or the required years of industry experience in lieu of said degree then please be extra extra careful with this process guys! Interestingly, I believe I have even read a few people mention recruitment at a few airlines are starting to tighten the bolts a little too in the requirement for a degree or 12 years flying experience.
My understanding is airlines can file the paperwork for anyone to take to a consulate...its on you to be honest about your qualifications and if you actually meet the specific E3 requirements at the end of the day. It's really not a good idea to just hope you get an easy consulate staff member.
My understanding is airlines can file the paperwork for anyone to take to a consulate...its on you to be honest about your qualifications and if you actually meet the specific E3 requirements at the end of the day. It's really not a good idea to just hope you get an easy consulate staff member.
Interesting and it raises another question or two:
(1) If an "aviation" degree is the only one meeting the criteria for an E3, does this put non-av degree holders in the same category as those with no degree at all, leaving time in the industry as the sole determining E3 criterion ?
(2) How is the "time in the industry" being calculated ? Paid, professional years only...training years + paid, working years ?
"...airlines can file the paperwork for anyone to take to a consulate..."...true enough. But it's the responsibility of the consulate to pass judgement on quals presented; applicants only have what they have. This looks like government makes the mistake...and YOU get punished for it. Yet another reason why the kakistocracy is never to be trusted.
Having E3s come here and fly has been a win-win deal. I automatically assume applicants have presented themselves honestly to a consulate. It'd be a shame to have this thing upended by actions of incompetent government cubicle droids but I won't be surprised if it is.
Last edited by bafanguy; 23rd Jun 2018 at 10:46.
Anything is possible with a good legal team. Melania trump got a H1B visa.
I think the outcome of your E3 application is only as good as your immigration lawyer.
Legal arguments can twist anything you like.
I think the outcome of your E3 application is only as good as your immigration lawyer.
Legal arguments can twist anything you like.
Do people getting visas under the aegis of a US regional airline even have an immigration lawyer ?
LW,
Interesting and it raises another question or two:
(1) If an "aviation" degree is the only one meeting the criteria for an E3, does this put non-av degree holders in the same category as those with no degree at all, leaving time in the industry as the sole determining E3 criterion ?
(2) How is the "time in the industry" being calculated ? Paid, professional years only...training years + paid, working years ?
"...airlines can file the paperwork for anyone to take to a consulate..."...true enough. But it's the responsibility of the consulate to pass judgement on quals presented; applicants only have what they have. This looks like government makes the mistake...and YOU get punished for it. Yet another reason why the kakistocracy is never to be trusted.
Interesting and it raises another question or two:
(1) If an "aviation" degree is the only one meeting the criteria for an E3, does this put non-av degree holders in the same category as those with no degree at all, leaving time in the industry as the sole determining E3 criterion ?
(2) How is the "time in the industry" being calculated ? Paid, professional years only...training years + paid, working years ?
"...airlines can file the paperwork for anyone to take to a consulate..."...true enough. But it's the responsibility of the consulate to pass judgement on quals presented; applicants only have what they have. This looks like government makes the mistake...and YOU get punished for it. Yet another reason why the kakistocracy is never to be trusted.
Professional Amateur - I don't think the music is anywhere near stopping thankfully. I just suspect there will now be a stronger emphasis on your actual qualifications in the future for applicants. There are certainly a huge amount more consulate rejections going on now for applicants than there was 6-12 month ago. But who knows, things change so quickly based on who's in office and what the current political climate is...unfortunately at the moment neither are too positive when it comes to immigration matters!
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Yes they now do. The airline I'm at uses a subcontractor to do all this and the subcontractor engages an immigration attorney to get the paper work together. I'm in the process of renewing my E3 visa. Can't believe it's been two years since I got my initial E3 issued.
"...airlines can file the paperwork for anyone to take to a consulate..."...true enough. But it's the responsibility of the consulate to pass judgement on quals presented; applicants only have what they have. This looks like government makes the mistake...and YOU get punished for it. Yet another reason why the kakistocracy is never to be trusted.
1 thing I am vary wary of being over here in the US, is if you get a red mark on your record (whether it be your fault, the consulates fault for approving you when they shouldn't have) this can create all kinds of problems trying to get back over here on another work visa (even if all your ducks are in a row) or even as a tourist.
