Australian pilots can work for US regionals.
I don’t find this thread the least bit Austranautie. There are some blokes swinging there d#$ks around (not all, certainly many contributors are just trying to pass info onto those searching for it) because they went to the states, and how farkin clever they are, and if somebody dares to point out any shortcoming, perceived or otherwise, they are accused of being a pain in the ass because they are Australian. Give me strength.
For those who have gone to the states, Good for you, but if you consider Australia is an aviation backwater, just stay in the states, it no skin of my or anybody else’s nose down here what you do with your career. You also have to accept that if it all turns to crap over there, you should stand by your words and not come back. Deal?
It’s not for everyone, and I still wouldn’t trust it as far as I could throw it, but “you do you” and stop pretending you’re a genius because a once in a lifetime, unexpected policy change occurred.
For those who have gone to the states, Good for you, but if you consider Australia is an aviation backwater, just stay in the states, it no skin of my or anybody else’s nose down here what you do with your career. You also have to accept that if it all turns to crap over there, you should stand by your words and not come back. Deal?
It’s not for everyone, and I still wouldn’t trust it as far as I could throw it, but “you do you” and stop pretending you’re a genius because a once in a lifetime, unexpected policy change occurred.
I don’t find this thread the least bit Austranautie. There are some blokes swinging there d#$ks around (not all, certainly many contributors are just trying to pass info onto those searching for it) because they went to the states, and how farkin clever they are, and if somebody dares to point out any shortcoming, perceived or otherwise, they are accused of being a pain in the ass because they are Australian. Give me strength.
For those who have gone to the states, Good for you, but if you consider Australia is an aviation backwater, just stay in the states, it no skin of my or anybody else’s nose down here what you do with your career. You also have to accept that if it all turns to crap over there, you should stand by your words and not come back. Deal?
It’s not for everyone, and I still wouldn’t trust it as far as I could throw it, but “you do you” and stop pretending you’re a genius because a once in a lifetime, unexpected policy change occurred.
For those who have gone to the states, Good for you, but if you consider Australia is an aviation backwater, just stay in the states, it no skin of my or anybody else’s nose down here what you do with your career. You also have to accept that if it all turns to crap over there, you should stand by your words and not come back. Deal?
It’s not for everyone, and I still wouldn’t trust it as far as I could throw it, but “you do you” and stop pretending you’re a genius because a once in a lifetime, unexpected policy change occurred.
So that leaves a few options. Take the safe bet, and stay in Aus, with all the good and bad that entails. We all know this path. Or, take the leap. The risk is it all could fall apart at some point down the road and you go home with nothing but the experience and cash you earned and have to start again. Or, maybe you get lucky, end up at a major or legacy, and make stupid amounts of money for some of the best QoL going. Make no mistake though, if you can get a green card and land a job at one of: Delta, American, United, FedEx, or UPS, you will have one of the most lucrative pilot jobs in the world.
The US is also experiencing the largest hiring wave of a generation, something to the order of 10000 pilots a year, so now is about as good as it gets for hunting jobs in the US. But if the US is not for you, that's ok too. Every Aussie that leaves makes way for local T&C's to increase, which is good too. Options are a good thing, and we're lucky to have the opportunities we do.
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There is the general vibe, in that Australian pilots who are deemed not good enough for the handfull of airlines in Australia, make their way to the States and actually progress. Some of them are now commanding regional jets, some of them are commanding NB jets and if not already, they'll be commanding WB jets. Some of them now have Greencards and will be flowing to the majors. If you want to wave your Austronaut dick, check out the latest Delta contract, it's eye watering. And soon there will be Australia sucking on that teat. 4-5 months to command on some types at Delta.
The vibe is that Australia is an aviation **** hole. I can give you any number of 'peer reviewed' stories about the joke interview experiences Australian pilots have participated in in Australia. And the respect you are treated with in the US compared. I'll give you 10's of stories on the QOL that ****s all over the rubbish you work here and the list goes on.
The vibe is that Australia is an aviation **** hole. I can give you any number of 'peer reviewed' stories about the joke interview experiences Australian pilots have participated in in Australia. And the respect you are treated with in the US compared. I'll give you 10's of stories on the QOL that ****s all over the rubbish you work here and the list goes on.
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and how farkin clever they are, and if somebody dares to point out any shortcoming, perceived or otherwise, they are accused of being a pain in the ass because they are Australian. Give me strength.
Nothing's perfect, but I'd prefer an imperfect States to a pathetically resourced joke of an industry that is taking pay cuts in the midst of what will be a shortage. It'll be interesting when the expat contracts start ramping up again.
You also have to accept that if it all turns to crap over there, you should stand by your words and not come back. Deal?
I find that there isn't much of an Austranaut vibe going on in the states. Everyone is pretty chill. I think that's because most Americans are chill. Want to be an airline pilot here? Instead of the response being "good luck," its "good idea." Anyone can do it if they have the will, so you don't end up with people who think they are particularly amazing.
Most of the Australians here came for the opportunity so tend to be more grateful than anything else, although there are few exceptions to that.
I agree the E3 is one of the greatest strokes of luck for many but unfortunately it only works if you have a job, otherwise you have to leave. Everyone is welcome over here. There is plenty to go around. Maybe while you're at it you should have told all the Cathay people to stay in Hong Kong instead of coming home and taking all the Qantas jobs... oh wait.
Most of the Australians here came for the opportunity so tend to be more grateful than anything else, although there are few exceptions to that.
You also have to accept that if it all turns to crap over there, you should stand by your words and not come back. Deal?
The jealousy in this thread surrounding the E3 pilots in the U.S is absolutely astounding.
That G.A mentality that some people bring here is mind boggling. Infact its that same mentality that is the reason why you have never progressed past a chieftain/baron and probably never will. Its also the same mentality that has driven a lot of us to the U.S.
Whats with the tall poppy syndrome?? If somebody has dreams and aspirations to go fly jets , let them!
I guarantee you , hammering across the midwest U.S at 450kts and 36k feet beats the S%# out of sitting 4500ft in a clapped out bucket of S%$. The life of an airline pilot in the U.S is that of a rock star , once you make it!
Most of us have had to bust our nuts in G.A to get here , but once your here. The view from the top is second to none.
after 5 years here flying jets , I look back on my G.A time with fondness and also with hatred. Having to deal with some of the characters in this forum along the way to the top.
That G.A mentality that some people bring here is mind boggling. Infact its that same mentality that is the reason why you have never progressed past a chieftain/baron and probably never will. Its also the same mentality that has driven a lot of us to the U.S.
Whats with the tall poppy syndrome?? If somebody has dreams and aspirations to go fly jets , let them!
I guarantee you , hammering across the midwest U.S at 450kts and 36k feet beats the S%# out of sitting 4500ft in a clapped out bucket of S%$. The life of an airline pilot in the U.S is that of a rock star , once you make it!
Most of us have had to bust our nuts in G.A to get here , but once your here. The view from the top is second to none.
after 5 years here flying jets , I look back on my G.A time with fondness and also with hatred. Having to deal with some of the characters in this forum along the way to the top.
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The jealousy in this thread surrounding the E3 pilots in the U.S is absolutely astounding.
That G.A mentality that some people bring here is mind boggling. Infact its that same mentality that is the reason why you have never progressed past a chieftain/baron and probably never will. Its also the same mentality that has driven a lot of us to the U.S.
Whats with the tall poppy syndrome?? If somebody has dreams and aspirations to go fly jets , let them!
I guarantee you , hammering across the midwest U.S at 450kts and 36k feet beats the S%# out of sitting 4500ft in a clapped out bucket of S%$. The life of an airline pilot in the U.S is that of a rock star , once you make it!
Most of us have had to bust our nuts in G.A to get here , but once your here. The view from the top is second to none.
after 5 years here flying jets , I look back on my G.A time with fondness and also with hatred. Having to deal with some of the characters in this forum along the way to the top.
That G.A mentality that some people bring here is mind boggling. Infact its that same mentality that is the reason why you have never progressed past a chieftain/baron and probably never will. Its also the same mentality that has driven a lot of us to the U.S.
Whats with the tall poppy syndrome?? If somebody has dreams and aspirations to go fly jets , let them!
I guarantee you , hammering across the midwest U.S at 450kts and 36k feet beats the S%# out of sitting 4500ft in a clapped out bucket of S%$. The life of an airline pilot in the U.S is that of a rock star , once you make it!
Most of us have had to bust our nuts in G.A to get here , but once your here. The view from the top is second to none.
after 5 years here flying jets , I look back on my G.A time with fondness and also with hatred. Having to deal with some of the characters in this forum along the way to the top.
I’ve gone overseas and flown as well, I don’t feel anymore special than those who haven’t. It was just great fun.
What I don’t do though, is **** all over the Australian GA industry and talk about what an awful time it is/was, which is all you mob who have an E3 seem to do.
Get over it.
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What I don’t do though, is **** all over the Australian GA industry and talk about what an awful time it is/was, which is all you mob who have an E3 seem to do.
Get over it.[/QUOTE]
But the Australian GA industry is awful. Everyone knows it. It's the Elephant in the room.
Get over it.[/QUOTE]
But the Australian GA industry is awful. Everyone knows it. It's the Elephant in the room.
All I seem to be reading is E3 pilots fighting a non-existent negativity from people who couldn’t care less whether you go and fly in the States or not. We really don’t care. Go and enjoy it.
I’ve gone overseas and flown as well, I don’t feel anymore special than those who haven’t. It was just great fun.
What I don’t do though, is **** all over the Australian GA industry and talk about what an awful time it is/was, which is all you mob who have an E3 seem to do.
Get over it.
I’ve gone overseas and flown as well, I don’t feel anymore special than those who haven’t. It was just great fun.
What I don’t do though, is **** all over the Australian GA industry and talk about what an awful time it is/was, which is all you mob who have an E3 seem to do.
Get over it.
And when E3 ends….. then what? Back to GA?
But back to the E3 end conundrum, I seriously doubt any Australian airline will take a returnee, when you spite an airline here to go to an inferior aviation system it's remembered.
But man, what a time you've had, gaining experience in some of the most challenging weather on the globe, some of the biggest and busiest airports in the world and wearing about 20 layers of skin off it. By that time E3's will have the required time to head over to the Middle East, Asia, all sorts of places. And don't forget these pilots will be getting Training and Checking experience from pretty early in their careers. And a fair whack of them already have green cards. So your gig is safe Fathom.
I think this is actually a very reasonable concern, and something that should be given serious consideration before making the move. This is especially true if you're leaving behind somewhere that could be considered a career destination. I have heard rumblings that both Atlas and Frontier are considering green card sponsorship, but unconfirmed. The only carrier I definitely know does is commutair, but you need to be a captain, which puts it two years down the road for anyone joining today, then another 18 months again from GC application.
But the Australian aviation system couldn't accommodate all the people interested in being a part of it, right ? Isn't that why people took the E3 option ?
Nope , Qatar, Etihad, Emirates, Cathay , Eva Air…..the list goes on. Or even better settle down , get a green card go to Delta. For the better part , that’s exactly what a lot of us have done. Delta is about 10X bigger than Qantas. Why would we gonna go back to G.A? 😂
Nothing is a given! But why would a young Aussie pilot loaded up with US endorsements and experience now be relegated to GA? Or do you mean anything less than QF mainline is GA?
The next five years in Australia will probably see an airline go bust as well as a few significant industrial events affecting some incumbent pilots. The new generation of Aussie airline pilot I’ve met isn’t particularly financially secure nor more critically, mentally prepared for the mobility that may be required in the future to endure the inevitable ups and downs. The pilots moving to the US now early in their careers are making great moves in my opinion. They will be well positioned to adapt to changes in the international pilot market and there’s nothing stopping them returning home. Jets are proliferating in Australia just as turbo-props did in the mid-90’s : perhaps this is the GA you talk of? The new GA with jets?
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Getting a green card would open so many doors. That 135 operation “Red Wing Aviation” is currently offering a pathway to greencard (looking at about 4 years from what my friends have said) as well as Commutair. That could definitely be an option or just keep throwing your hat in the annual DV lottery.
I couldn't tell if tossbag was serious or just being tongue-in-cheek about there being institutionalized spitefulness toward any E3s who might decide to come back from the USA to Australia and look for an airline spot.
Kenny did it. Although he went back to US in the end. It’s something I wish I did but family wise, wasn’t an option (Sorry Kenny, hope you don’t mind me saying so).
For all those that go, then want to come back, it was possible when the “market” was tight. It’s only going to get easier in terms of returning. Go have fun! Enjoy it. You’re crazy not to. One thing about aviation though, it will always be different tomorrow.
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