"All you need is a plane"
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"All you need is a plane"
I was watching ...I dunno, some crap on a commercial TV station... and came across this advert for the Sydney International Boat Show:
All you need is a Boat
Imagine if our industry associations were spending our money on adverts that grew our market and our public appeal, instead of throwing lavish gab-fests at the Crowne Plaza Hunter Valley.
GA is INVISIBLE to the general public until someone has a prang and dies
There is a Federal election coming next year (or sooner) and there is no unified effort to make Aviation an issue or even raise its profile; you just have quiet words whispered in ears, deals done to favour one operator or another, or the whole industry ignored like the ALP used to do.
What do you say Dick Smith?
All you need is a Boat
Imagine if our industry associations were spending our money on adverts that grew our market and our public appeal, instead of throwing lavish gab-fests at the Crowne Plaza Hunter Valley.
GA is INVISIBLE to the general public until someone has a prang and dies
There is a Federal election coming next year (or sooner) and there is no unified effort to make Aviation an issue or even raise its profile; you just have quiet words whispered in ears, deals done to favour one operator or another, or the whole industry ignored like the ALP used to do.
What do you say Dick Smith?
Alas, too many people in Australia with a vested interest in the mystique of aviation remaining impenetrably complex and scary. 
If the population understood the objective risks (and their causes) and benefits of aviation compared with the risks and benefits of other forms of transport and recreation, there'd be a lot more GA and a lot fewer pages of regulations and people living off them in Australia.
If the population understood the objective risks (and their causes) and benefits of aviation compared with the risks and benefits of other forms of transport and recreation, there'd be a lot more GA and a lot fewer pages of regulations and people living off them in Australia.
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Old Fella
If I were a carpenter, and you were a layman, you could carry my tool bag
...provided you were a member of the Federated Carpenter's and Woodworker's union.
Most laymen call that machine parked out the front a PLANE.
Let's win them over, THEN turn them into irritating pedants
If I were a carpenter, and you were a layman, you could carry my tool bag
...provided you were a member of the Federated Carpenter's and Woodworker's union.
Most laymen call that machine parked out the front a PLANE.
Let's win them over, THEN turn them into irritating pedants
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Sorry Horatio, but I`m with Old Fella on this.
If that makes me IYHO an `irritating pedant` I`m willing to wear the epithet!
If that makes me IYHO an `irritating pedant` I`m willing to wear the epithet!
Ahhh, shaddup and fly the plane!!
If it's good enough for John Wayne to call it a plane, then it's good enough to be written here on Proon without raising the uppityness of the thought police.
If it's good enough for John Wayne to call it a plane, then it's good enough to be written here on Proon without raising the uppityness of the thought police.
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So long as this doesn't deteriorate into a thread about wearing your epithets to the supermarket, I don't care what you wear
So long as this doesn't deteriorate into a thread about wearing your epithets to the supermarket, I don't care what you wear
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All you need is a plane ???
All you need is a plane, if you are a carpenter????
All you need is a plane, if you are a carpenter????
Say 'Plane' in front of someone and what do you think they think of? An effing plane, because a carpenters plane doesn't friggin exist anymore (except in museums)
I've been flying them for 30 years & I call them a plane, I stopped using a plane about 15 years ago.
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Whilst "airplane" still sounds wrong to me, I find it hard to counter the argument that the yanks invented it, so they should get to name it airplane, and it is a bit rich for others to rename/change spelling.
Whilst "airplane" still sounds wrong to me, I find it hard to counter the argument that the yanks invented it, so they should get to name it airplane, and it is a bit rich for others to rename/change spelling.
Plane
Now one can still use a plane, however now it's more like my electric plane.
Out of curiosity I just googled electric plane, seems Google don't mind referring to a plane as a plane as an airyplane...
Sheesh aircraft, plane, airplane, aero plane, same same but different to Jo public, or maybe even flying bus these days!
Out of curiosity I just googled electric plane, seems Google don't mind referring to a plane as a plane as an airyplane...
Sheesh aircraft, plane, airplane, aero plane, same same but different to Jo public, or maybe even flying bus these days!
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I had a reproduction book of a very old aviation related book where they were referred to as aerodromes.
Smitty called them as aeroplanes, my father referred to them as aeroplanes.
That will do me.
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Smitty called them as aeroplanes, my father referred to them as aeroplanes.
That will do me.
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Seriously...........???
We are debating whether it's called a Plane, Airplane or Aeroplane???
Must be a slow day!
I'm pretty sure we were all calling them Planes when we were kids but somehow, now we've grown up, that's not good enough anymore?
And on a similar topic, I think I preferred being called a Pilot but nowadays the term appears to be Tech Crew.
I love walking through airport terminals and seeing the smiles on young kids faces when they see a Pilot and then hearing them tell their parents how they want to be a Tech Crew when they grow up!
We are debating whether it's called a Plane, Airplane or Aeroplane???
Must be a slow day!
I'm pretty sure we were all calling them Planes when we were kids but somehow, now we've grown up, that's not good enough anymore?
And on a similar topic, I think I preferred being called a Pilot but nowadays the term appears to be Tech Crew.
I love walking through airport terminals and seeing the smiles on young kids faces when they see a Pilot and then hearing them tell their parents how they want to be a Tech Crew when they grow up!
And the piffle about a name shows why this industry is screwed. Second post is about semantics. Inward looking, self important and weak crap. All this industry does well collectively is bend over, take it squealing and cry to each other. When someone suggests something to help ourselves we attack them.
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So long as this doesn't deteriorate into a thread about wearing your epithets to the supermarket, I don't care what you wear
Ok, we`ve all had our fun, so now it`s back to the actual subject of the thread!
Imagine if our industry associations were spending our money on adverts that grew our market and our public appeal, instead of throwing lavish gab-fests at the Crowne Plaza Hunter Valley.
GA is INVISIBLE to the general public until someone has a prang and dies
There is a Federal election coming next year (or sooner) and there is no unified effort to make Aviation an issue or even raise its profile; you just have quiet words whispered in ears, deals done to favour one operator or another, or the whole industry ignored like the ALP used to do.
What do you say Dick Smith?
GA is INVISIBLE to the general public until someone has a prang and dies
There is a Federal election coming next year (or sooner) and there is no unified effort to make Aviation an issue or even raise its profile; you just have quiet words whispered in ears, deals done to favour one operator or another, or the whole industry ignored like the ALP used to do.
What do you say Dick Smith?
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I spent 16 years in the RAAF.
One way to annoy the ADGs during your annual SLR qual was to ask him which end of the "gun" you put the "bullets" in.
By all means use the term plane if you wish. You'd be wrong, but go ahead and prove your ignorance if you like.
I'm certain the term "tech crew" came from the touchy feely CRM world we now operate in. An attempt to raise the esteem of the bun chuckers by denigrating the pilots. Now look at the cabin crew mafia to realise what a mistake that was.
One way to annoy the ADGs during your annual SLR qual was to ask him which end of the "gun" you put the "bullets" in.
By all means use the term plane if you wish. You'd be wrong, but go ahead and prove your ignorance if you like.
I'm certain the term "tech crew" came from the touchy feely CRM world we now operate in. An attempt to raise the esteem of the bun chuckers by denigrating the pilots. Now look at the cabin crew mafia to realise what a mistake that was.
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The point is this:
GA will continue to wither on the vine unless we get more of the General Public involved and interested. We need a nice, quiet TV campaign that highlights what GA does for Australia and what Australia will lose when GA disappears.
We need to focus on PEOPLE telling PEOPLE what GA delivers to their lives (think of the adverts every election with the average family asking Mr Abbott or Mr Howard how they are going to survive after his cuts to medicare)
TV Adverts aren't that hard or that expensive to make, and in many time slots (especially in rural and regional Australia) they are quite cheap to broadcast.
Unfortunately, Aviation seems to be made up of a large group of strokers who are offended they ae called "Tech Crew" not "Captain, Sir" and that "plane" is offensive because it infers they are a carpenter, not a sky god.
The layman refers to that machine out there as a PLANE.
When he looks up he sees a PLANE.
When he jumps on Jetstar he catches a PLANE.
When he comes to have a flying lesson in a PLANE and you tell him "actually no, it's an AEROPLANE", he'll say "Righto w*nker I'll go buy a JETSKI instead".
Jesus christ.
GA will continue to wither on the vine unless we get more of the General Public involved and interested. We need a nice, quiet TV campaign that highlights what GA does for Australia and what Australia will lose when GA disappears.
We need to focus on PEOPLE telling PEOPLE what GA delivers to their lives (think of the adverts every election with the average family asking Mr Abbott or Mr Howard how they are going to survive after his cuts to medicare)
TV Adverts aren't that hard or that expensive to make, and in many time slots (especially in rural and regional Australia) they are quite cheap to broadcast.
Unfortunately, Aviation seems to be made up of a large group of strokers who are offended they ae called "Tech Crew" not "Captain, Sir" and that "plane" is offensive because it infers they are a carpenter, not a sky god.
The layman refers to that machine out there as a PLANE.
When he looks up he sees a PLANE.
When he jumps on Jetstar he catches a PLANE.
When he comes to have a flying lesson in a PLANE and you tell him "actually no, it's an AEROPLANE", he'll say "Righto w*nker I'll go buy a JETSKI instead".
Jesus christ.