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B772 your belief system is flawed, I found another thread on prune here that suggests they all left. ( conspiracies suggesting they were poached by another airline)
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...ee-spirit.html
The plot thickens....
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...ee-spirit.html
The plot thickens....
I am given to understand that WW provide AOC Coverage and Check and training for FSA's pilots.
They do the same for Schlongair and a couple of others.
They do the same for Schlongair and a couple of others.
From ABC
Rex slams new competitor service to Merimbula - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Regional Express has hit back at claims it poached crewmembers from a competitor planning to service the New South Wales far south coast.
Free Spirit Airlines says it delayed the beginning of flights between Merimbula and Melbourne until July because a competitor has poached its operating crew.
Founder, Roman Badov, called the move "unscrupulous" and said the other airline feared competition.
A spokeswoman for Regional Express said they hadn't poached anyone.
"One of our subsidiaries, Air Link, has offered employment to a pilot who originally applied to fly for FSA but who changed his mind before commencing with FSA," she said.
"(He) approached Air Link more than three weeks ago of his own accord."
She also said it was "absurd" to think Free Spirit could pose a competitive threat to Rex.
"FSA in May ... had 56 flights scheduled which carried about 126 passengers, making an average of 2.25 passengers per scheduled flight," she said.
"Of these 56 scheduled flights, it cancelled about 28 of them.
"We advise all FSA stakeholders to draw their own conclusions from these statistics."
Rex slams new competitor service to Merimbula - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Regional Express has hit back at claims it poached crewmembers from a competitor planning to service the New South Wales far south coast.
Free Spirit Airlines says it delayed the beginning of flights between Merimbula and Melbourne until July because a competitor has poached its operating crew.
Founder, Roman Badov, called the move "unscrupulous" and said the other airline feared competition.
A spokeswoman for Regional Express said they hadn't poached anyone.
"One of our subsidiaries, Air Link, has offered employment to a pilot who originally applied to fly for FSA but who changed his mind before commencing with FSA," she said.
"(He) approached Air Link more than three weeks ago of his own accord."
She also said it was "absurd" to think Free Spirit could pose a competitive threat to Rex.
"FSA in May ... had 56 flights scheduled which carried about 126 passengers, making an average of 2.25 passengers per scheduled flight," she said.
"Of these 56 scheduled flights, it cancelled about 28 of them.
"We advise all FSA stakeholders to draw their own conclusions from these statistics."
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Free Spirit Airline hits out at Rex | The Advocate
A NEW Burnie-Melbourne airline has accused established carrier Regional Express of "fabricating" numbers in an attempt to maintain a monopoly.
Free Spirit Airlines is grounded, claiming its operating crew was "poached".
Regional Express (Rex) fired up on Tuesday over the poaching claims made by Free Spirit boss Roman Badov, who did not specifically name Rex.
Rex told The Advocate Free Spirit had cancelled about 28 of 56 scheduled flights in May, and had carried only about 126 passengers, at an average of 2.25 passengers per scheduled flight.
Mr Badov fired back yesterday.
He said the flight schedules, passenger numbers and cancellations claimed by Rex were "total fabrication in their attempt to maintain a monopolistic enterprise".He said Free Spirit looked forward to re-starting operations with fresh crew and "to once again offer North-Western Tasmanian residents a cost effective travel solution".
According to the ABC, Free Spirit had delayed starting services to Merimbula in New South Wales, citing the "poaching" of a crew.
Mr Badov told the ABC he believed an unnamed company had lured his staff for fear of competition.
Rex also flies into Merimbula.
Free Spirit Airline hits out at Rex | The Advocate
A NEW Burnie-Melbourne airline has accused established carrier Regional Express of "fabricating" numbers in an attempt to maintain a monopoly.
Free Spirit Airlines is grounded, claiming its operating crew was "poached".
Regional Express (Rex) fired up on Tuesday over the poaching claims made by Free Spirit boss Roman Badov, who did not specifically name Rex.
Rex told The Advocate Free Spirit had cancelled about 28 of 56 scheduled flights in May, and had carried only about 126 passengers, at an average of 2.25 passengers per scheduled flight.
Mr Badov fired back yesterday.
He said the flight schedules, passenger numbers and cancellations claimed by Rex were "total fabrication in their attempt to maintain a monopolistic enterprise".He said Free Spirit looked forward to re-starting operations with fresh crew and "to once again offer North-Western Tasmanian residents a cost effective travel solution".
According to the ABC, Free Spirit had delayed starting services to Merimbula in New South Wales, citing the "poaching" of a crew.
Mr Badov told the ABC he believed an unnamed company had lured his staff for fear of competition.
Rex also flies into Merimbula.
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Not looking good.
A great deal of advertising and numerous offers of cheaper fares down to 50% of the lead in published fares don't make up for a minus 30 day lead time.
Poor planning may be the devil here BUT Wynyard to Essendon with taxi availability uncertain on arrival or a trip back to Tulla to get the bus is about as inviting as pulling hair out of you nose.
If Roman disputes the figures in the media, post the "accurate" ones and a verifiable record of what flights operated and what flights were cancelled with what lead time.
If Rex is the devil here, what would you expect them to do? Throw bouquets? They are a commercial operation and must move to protect against potemtial threats.
Cancellations en masse caused the early demise of Bizjets MEL DPO services mostly caused by extended unserviceabilities on the Metro including engine fires. They were allegedly supplied the operating parameters for an engine option they weren't supplied with.
The multiple cancellations led to a withdrawal of passenger support and that is all she wrote.
We alleged Travel professionals would be shying away from any operation that is unreliable. I did state in the previous thread that the lead time was far too short. Unfortunately that appears to be the case. With the local media coverage of the suspension of services I can't see any future for them, more is the pity.
I still have had not one enquiry from the normally annoyingly vocal punters at the DPO RSL regarding FSA's half price offer. Another good indicator that their offers have fallen on deaf ears and unusual.
Secondary operator are not new on the Coast as Aus Air ran a very nice service from DPO to MBW which I have used myself on both the Bandit and the Navajo. Lovely service and arriving in the South East was excellent. It was well used but I believe other operations/factors brought that down.
Maybe Moorabbin would have been a better idea. That is basing out of a high disposable income area and would be more likely to draw traffic as that is the side of town most my Melbourne clients are heading for.
Good luck Roman, but I see the master caution flashing.
Best all
EWL
A great deal of advertising and numerous offers of cheaper fares down to 50% of the lead in published fares don't make up for a minus 30 day lead time.
Poor planning may be the devil here BUT Wynyard to Essendon with taxi availability uncertain on arrival or a trip back to Tulla to get the bus is about as inviting as pulling hair out of you nose.
If Roman disputes the figures in the media, post the "accurate" ones and a verifiable record of what flights operated and what flights were cancelled with what lead time.
If Rex is the devil here, what would you expect them to do? Throw bouquets? They are a commercial operation and must move to protect against potemtial threats.
Cancellations en masse caused the early demise of Bizjets MEL DPO services mostly caused by extended unserviceabilities on the Metro including engine fires. They were allegedly supplied the operating parameters for an engine option they weren't supplied with.
The multiple cancellations led to a withdrawal of passenger support and that is all she wrote.
We alleged Travel professionals would be shying away from any operation that is unreliable. I did state in the previous thread that the lead time was far too short. Unfortunately that appears to be the case. With the local media coverage of the suspension of services I can't see any future for them, more is the pity.
I still have had not one enquiry from the normally annoyingly vocal punters at the DPO RSL regarding FSA's half price offer. Another good indicator that their offers have fallen on deaf ears and unusual.
Secondary operator are not new on the Coast as Aus Air ran a very nice service from DPO to MBW which I have used myself on both the Bandit and the Navajo. Lovely service and arriving in the South East was excellent. It was well used but I believe other operations/factors brought that down.
Maybe Moorabbin would have been a better idea. That is basing out of a high disposable income area and would be more likely to draw traffic as that is the side of town most my Melbourne clients are heading for.
Good luck Roman, but I see the master caution flashing.
Best all
EWL
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SRH is a decent destination but the problem is the cost to get the info to your market as in everything. Extremely hard to do at a very high cost. The green market is also flukey. Threaten to dam the Gordon again and you would need a widebody service to carry the chinless wonders in and out.
It would be a once a week destination in warmer months and SRH has rain about 300 days a year.
If it was viable Sharp or others would already be on it.
Best regards
EWL
SRH is a decent destination but the problem is the cost to get the info to your market as in everything. Extremely hard to do at a very high cost. The green market is also flukey. Threaten to dam the Gordon again and you would need a widebody service to carry the chinless wonders in and out.
It would be a once a week destination in warmer months and SRH has rain about 300 days a year.
If it was viable Sharp or others would already be on it.
Best regards
EWL
Anyone silly enough to pay 16k for a rating on a Fugly King Air on the promise of a job with an unproven start up deserves to be shafted. Charles Darwin says so.
Employers who can lease multi million dollar aircraft but snivel on a few hours training costs at DOC (or simulator) give me the Sh!ts.
Do CASA people check if there is an adequate training budget for start ups and when auditing for AOC renewals?
I am not saying that this mob is under funded, because none of us really know how it is being financed, or why. But plenty in the business can not or will not spend money on initial or recurrent training. The sooner those guys go to the wall the better for those that do it right.
If it is a pay-for-rating deal, contrast this with the recent Air Taxi Vanuatu advert on AFAP where the Chief Pilot says "Please do not offer to work for free, pay for a type rating or sweep the hangar floor...."
Employers who can lease multi million dollar aircraft but snivel on a few hours training costs at DOC (or simulator) give me the Sh!ts.
Do CASA people check if there is an adequate training budget for start ups and when auditing for AOC renewals?
I am not saying that this mob is under funded, because none of us really know how it is being financed, or why. But plenty in the business can not or will not spend money on initial or recurrent training. The sooner those guys go to the wall the better for those that do it right.
If it is a pay-for-rating deal, contrast this with the recent Air Taxi Vanuatu advert on AFAP where the Chief Pilot says "Please do not offer to work for free, pay for a type rating or sweep the hangar floor...."
Last edited by Mach E Avelli; 9th Jun 2015 at 13:21.
Employers who can lease multi million dollar aircraft but can't afford a few hours at DOC (or simulator) for crew training give me the Sh!ts.
Leafy that is the mystery. Surely leasing companies do due diligence before handing over the keys to an aeroplane worth several million.
Or times are desperate in the leasing business perhaps?
Or times are desperate in the leasing business perhaps?